Rethinking Enlightenment

[RossE]

@abrakamowse It's easy to say that on an intellectual level but fully grasping that on a permanent basis is a different ball game. I won't walk around convincing myself that I shouldn't be scared because I don't exist when that's not my experience. I understand what you're pointing at though.

[cetus]

7 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

So true...

It's not you who is scared, because there's no you

Easier said than done though.. I mean. something of me remains. What the hell is that? It seems like a "Bull in a china shop".

 

 

 

[abrakamowse]

3 hours ago, RossE said:

I won't walk around convincing myself that I shouldn't be scared because I don't exist when that's not my experience.

I didn't say that. There's no one to convince, and what is your experience?

[abrakamowse]

3 hours ago, cetus56 said:

Easier said than done though.. I mean. something of me remains. What the hell is that? It seems like a "Bull in a china shop".

What is that of you that still remains?

[cetus]

5 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

What is that of you that still remains?

@abrakamowse I honestly don't know brother.

[cetus]

Something remains that is undeniable. Maybe it it's all just pat of the illusion. But like ashes after the flame is gone there still remains traces of what once was.

Edited January 3, 2017 by cetus56

[abrakamowse]

7 hours ago, cetus56 said:

@abrakamowse I honestly don't know brother.

I know the feeling. Same thing here.

Maybe I was talking to myself when I told you that.

[Dodo]

The presence is here, even when i stop labeling everything including the body and the mind, there is a presence and i get the thought - "I am" and trump the thought with the actual silent experience of I am.

Then i would feel energy in where the body is and i know i am not that, because i perceive it. But there is no object observing, so I must be a non entity, therefore there is no I and the bodymind I refer to as mine is working by itself, because I still am beyond it, looking and verify this.

To say i am doing anything i would have to first find the i, but cant find it, although it is always. 

So I get thoughts like that and trump them with the realisation beyond them, by feeling my unknown presence.

Am I doing it right? Well most likely, since i can still feel that I am even though i dont know what, now. 

To teach the bodymind that it has no I of its own is almost impossible, because it is addicted. Just like smoking, the easiest thing,  not to do something,  becomes almost impossible, because the body mind is such a sponge. 

Now we need to re-design the bodymind's habbits from negative to positive,  in order to change the dream from nightmare to amazing dream.

Edited January 3, 2017 by Dodoster

[abrakamowse]

Very powerful @Dodoster Thanks!

[99th_monkey]

On 1/2/2017 at 5:45 PM, RossE said:

@abrakamowse It's easy to say that on an intellectual level but fully grasping that on a permanent basis is a different ball game. I won't walk around convincing myself that I shouldn't be scared because I don't exist when that's not my experience. I understand what you're pointing at though.

your scared-ness, isn't your scared-ness. Its an experience of scaresness. If you sit there saying "im not scared, I don't exist" you'll go in circles forever. 

The simple act of saying anything to yourself,in your head, is affirming that infamous "you"you hear everyone talking about, all it is , is a matter of identification. YOU exist , yea? But just not as you thinks.