I have long struggled with partys and social settings (clubs, partys etc)

[Leo Gura]

50 minutes ago, bloomer said:

@Leo Gura

Who were you trying to fuck? Clockwork elves. Some interdimensional pussy must be nice.

Nah, a mild dose in the club. No elves. Just God-mode

It's like alcohol, but way healthier and less dangerous.

[eTorro]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Observation openers work so well that I've transitioned all outside-the-club openers to observational.

The key is to realize your observations don't have to make a lick of logical sense.

"Hey! Girl in the pasta dress. Stop!"

"Hey! Elf girl. Stop!"

"Hey! Girl that looks like a fishing lure. Stop!"

"Hey! Girl in lingerie dress. Stop!"

"Hey! What the fuck kind of dress is that? What do you call that thing? Where'd you find that fucking thing?"

"Hey! How many alligators did you have to kill to make those boots, girl?"

"Hey! Pocahontas-looking girl. Stop!"

"Hey! Leprechaun girl. Stop!" (she's wearing green dress) This one will take some recovery work. Apparently girls don't like being called Leprechauns.

"Hey! Lizard girl. Stop!" (she's wearing green dress) This one will take some recovery work, Lol.

"Hey! Sparkly boots. Stop!"

"Hey! Cowgirl. Stop!"

"Hey! Why are you so short?" (she's extra tall)

"Hey! Girl that looks like a disco ball. Stop!"

"Hey! Bubble-gum shoes. Stop!"

"Hey! Woolly mammoth purse girl. Stop!"

"Hey! Goldilocks girl. Stop!"

"Hey! Tinkerbell girl. Stop!"

"Hey! Gold fish girl. Stop!"

You can make up this shit endlessly. Infinite observationals

You're awesome, Leo!

Thank you!

I also suffer from crippling social anxiety.

I'll do something about it, soon. 

[bloomer]

@Leo Gura

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's like alcohol, but way healthier and less dangerous.

So you’re saying I’m more hardcore than you for drinking booze rather than taking dmt? 

Thanks for the ego boost lol

@eTorro

31 minutes ago, eTorro said:

I'll do something about it, soon. 

Good luck mate. Many are in the same boat as you.

[Emotionalmosquito]

It wouldn’t be so bad if the worst that could happen is girls telling you to piss off when you say something wrong. Because at least then you could still keep practicing in the same venue. Unfortunately, often times they will pretend to be open and engaged with you only to later complain to management and do everything in their power to get you kicked out. Speaking from experience. If I tried some of the stuff Leo gets away with, no doubt I’d find myself handcuffed in the back of a squad car. What lesson do you think that teaches? Even when the girl seems to be enjoying your company (as though you’re well calibrated) you still end up getting back stabbed. All this considered, I don’t see any way to tell which girls will respond GENUINELY well to which lines and which will freak out until your set is already either successful or too late to recover.

 

[Thought Art]

@Emotionalmosquito Try low dose and slowly work up

[something_else]

3 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

It wouldn’t be so bad if the worst that could happen is girls telling you to piss off when you say something wrong. Because at least then you could still keep practicing in the same venue. Unfortunately, often times they will pretend to be open and engaged with you only to later complain to management and do everything in their power to get you kicked out. Speaking from experience. If I tried some of the stuff Leo gets away with, no doubt I’d find myself handcuffed in the back of a squad car. What lesson do you think that teaches? Even when the girl seems to be enjoying your company (as though you’re well calibrated) you still end up getting back stabbed. All this considered, I don’t see any way to tell which girls will respond GENUINELY well to which lines and which will freak out until your set is already either successful or too late to recover.

 

This isn't an issue that anyone other than you seems to face. I'd put my money on you not being able to accurately recognise whether people are actually engaged or creeped out, but hey, I don't know you or where you stay so I can't really say. That's just my initial impression 

[Emotionalmosquito]

2 hours ago, something_else said:

I'd put my money on you not being able to accurately recognise whether people are actually engaged or creeped out

I mean it would almost have to be that. Problem is, ⬇️

5 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

often times they will pretend to be open and engaged with you only to later complain to management

Knowing how skilled women tend to be at mind games and acting, I’d practically have to be an advanced facial expression and vocal tonality recognition piece of quantum AI technology to discern such a thing. Or do a thousand approaches just to overcome this one hurdle. Which would be virtually impossible with natural human hostility and fear leaving me very little room for error. 

2 hours ago, something_else said:

or where you stay

Indeed my location may very well play a big roll here too.

 

4 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@Emotionalmosquito Try low dose and slowly work up

Definitely doing that from now on.

[Leo Gura]

No one has ever complained to management on me.

Stop making up nonsense excuses.

You'd have to be a total jackass to get kicked out of a club or bar.

[Emotionalmosquito]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Ooof! That one will get you into a world of hurt.

"Toothpick girl" also doesn't land well.

So what I’m hearing is don’t comment on her body unless it’s positive. Like don’t caller her hammerhead if her eyes are far apart, cyclops if they’re close together, busted biscuit can if she has a tummy, fire crotch if she’s ginger, fish face if she has fish face, fridge body if she’s rectangular instead of curvy etc?

[Emotionalmosquito]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No one has ever complained to management on me.

Stop making up nonsense excuses.

You'd have to be a total jackass to get kicked out of a club or bar.

I’m not asking you to read the op of this thread but it’s here for reference just in case you or anyone else wants to. I’m not making this up. The ban hammer was dropped on me without me having the slightest clue I was violating any rules. I wasn’t anything close to a jackass, I was calm, expressing my thoughts clearly and using playful obnoxious humor and conversational topics similar to what you use.

edit: The reason she gave me was I said some inappropriate things and made people feel uncomfortable. It’s a fucking bar, not a Chuck E. Cheese, Karen. Sure, I may not have been in the best mood so I was running broken man’s game. But that’s no reason to react so harshly. 

“Inappropriate” “uncomfortable” “creepy”

Those are the only reasons she can come up with. When i try to point out the absurdity of this reasoning, she’s too thick headed and stubborn to hear me. So yeah.

Edited December 7, 2021 by Emotionalmosquito

[Thought Art]

@Emotionalmosquito There are more bars

[ValiantSalvatore]

On 5.12.2021 at 5:39 PM, Leo Gura said:

Dude, this is so dumb.

Stop consuming this fear porn. That's all that is.

I told a girl at the bar that my friend and I have herpes and that since we are such generous guys, we would be happy to share it with her. That was my opener. She told me that I am unusually friendly for a Russian (she was part Russian too). I told her that she is gullible and that if I was a rapist I would take her to my rape van. I told her I am taking her to church to confess all her sins. She asked, which church. I said, the one that molests the most children. She was an attourney. I asked her if contracts make her wet. I told her I will have my attourney draft up some contracts for her. I told her to give me her fax number so I can fax her a black and white pixelated dick pic. She said she actually had a fax number. She gave me her biz card. She asked me what I do. I said I scrub toilets at Taco Bell and that I would scrub the shit out of her toilet. When I said that, I said it like I was talking about fucking her pussy out. She said, Perfect. I told her I am Asian from the waist down and that her ass was too much for me and that she needs a black dude for that ass. But that luckily I am actually black from the waist down. She said, Perfect. She asked for me to take her number. Finally she gave me permission to squeeze her giant tits in front of her friend.

I told another girl: "Damn, you have a nice body. I want to sell you into sexual slavery, like I did my mother." She giggled but that one blew me out. She still left laughing. It's hard to make that line hook because it's so purposefully outrageous. Still, I like to see how far I can push my verbals.

Be a fucking man. But be socially calibrated and non-creepy. This was all said in a cool and calibrated way.

I am not saying you noobs should go that far. But if you think you can't go that far with a girl all into it, you don't understand girls. I am telling you this so you understand what extremes are possible and that you are nowhere near the edge.

On the other hand, the fear in your eyes alone is enough to creep a girl out. It's not what you say but how you say it

This sounds like my kind of fantasy if I can get good at approaching this is legit giga funny and real.

[something_else]

19 hours ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

I wasn’t anything close to a jackass, I was calm, expressing my thoughts clearly and using playful obnoxious humor and conversational topics similar to what you use.

edit: The reason she gave me was I said some inappropriate things and made people feel uncomfortable. It’s a fucking bar, not a Chuck E. Cheese, Karen. Sure, I may not have been in the best mood so I was running broken man’s game. But that’s no reason to react so harshly. 

“Inappropriate” “uncomfortable” “creepy”

Those are the only reasons she can come up with. When i try to point out the absurdity of this reasoning, she’s too thick headed and stubborn to hear me. So yeah.

Stop pretending you were the victim, you were seen as a creepy fuck. If you were not interpreted as a creepy fuck then you would not have been reported. It doesn't matter whether you actually are a creepy fuck or not, the point is you were unequivocally interpreted as a creepy fuck. There is ample evidence of that

One of the most common defense mechanisms girls have for creeps is to just pretend they're not creeped out or act normal until you leave and then report you. Why? Because confronting someone who says creepy, uncalibrated shit is potentially really dangerous for girls.

Even I've kind of just awkwardly gone along with weird dude's conversation topics before until they leave because you have no fucking clue what they'll do if you piss them off by leaving or telling them they're being weird to their face

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, something_else said:

you were seen as a creepy fuck

Sometimes miscommunications just happen.

One time a girl confused me for someone else who grabbed her ass. Then she called her husband to come fight me.

I never grabbed her ass. It was just a miscommunication. Girls aren't always right.

[mmKay]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

One time a girl confused me for someone else who grabbed her ass. Then she called her husband to come fight me.

How did you react and what are your thoughts on the danger of fights in a club?

Personally i got slapped once and few times people tried to gang up on me looking for an easy fight ( tall skinny babyface dude having overwhelmelming ammounts of fun with girls makes orcs jelly and insecure it seems). I end up just dipping. 

I thought about carrying a pepper spray for worst case scenarios but I'm pretty certain its cause my home city is know for being full of douchebags and "that kind" of dudes. 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by mmKay

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, mmKay said:

How did you react and what are your thoughts on the danger of fights in a club?

Personally i got slapped once and few times people tried to gang up on me looking for an easy fight ( tall skinny babyface dude having overwhelmelming ammounts of fun with girls makes orcs jelly and insecure it seems). I end up just dipping.

Fights are possible. You have to keep solid peripheral awareness and practice de-escalation. Don't get your ego into it and walk away.

About a month ago I saw a fight in the casino where a dude got knocked out, kicked in the face unconscious, and beaten with a bar stool. It took 20 security guards about 20 minutes to subdue the aggressor and his crew. But this happened because both parties got their egos involved in it. They kept provoking each other and neither wanted to back down. There is no reason to let things escalate like that. It took a long time to escalate to that point.

Don't be paranoid about it, but also keep solid peripheral awareness so nothing can blindside you.

The worst that's happened to me is that I got punched by one girl in the mouth and clawed in the neck by another. Both drew blood, but it's made me keep much better preemptive awareness. Now I can foresee if a girl is about to get aggressive with me and I'm ready to dodge, block, or back away.

[kieranperez]

@mmKay learn how to fight

[Leo Gura]

37 minutes ago, kieranperez said:

@mmKay learn how to fight

No, this is foolish. Do not fight. De-escalate and back away.

Dodging is a great skill. If someone takes a swing at you, dodge backwards. They won't anticipate that and lose their balance. Then go get security. You can also tell them that if they hit you you will file assault charges and that it's not worth it to them. The key is not to fight.

[Emotionalmosquito]

@something_else

On 12/5/2021 at 10:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

I told her that she is gullible and that if I was a rapist I would take her to my rape van.

 

On 12/5/2021 at 10:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

I told her to give me her fax number so I can fax her a black and white pixelated dick pic. She said she actually had a fax number. She gave me her biz card.

 

On 12/5/2021 at 10:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

“Damn, you have a nice body. I want to sell you into sexual slavery, like I did my mother."

Meanwhile, Leo is over here getting away with social felonies and I’m getting banned for what amounts to shoplifting a snickers bar. To be fair he also said you have to be well calibrated and non-creepy to say this stuff and that newbs shouldn’t try it. But what’s funny is I was as well calibrated and non creepy as I knew how to be when I said stuff BARLEY HALF this bad. I literally warned them I was about to steer the topic into uncharted territory and they gave me permission to continue.????? How are you supposed to know if you have the green light to keep going or not if people are going to put on an act? And how are you supposed to express yourself authentically if people are such fragile, sheltered little babies you have to walk on eggshells and even then not know if you’re treading lightly enough? He even said the sexual slavery line got him blown out but she still walked away laughing. Funny he assumes the laugh was genuine when it very well could have been faked to hide her horrified response to his remark. What exactly can you do about this? Ask every ten seconds if she’s being honest about her reactions to your presence? That would be ridiculous and creepy in itself. I’m not the only one with this problem because if I was, Leo wouldn’t have put that part in his getting laid series where he says not to say stuff you’re unsure of because security might come after you. 

All this being said, I will take some amount of responsibility. Law of state transference. Since I was running broken man’s game at the time, perhaps some negative energy was rubbing off on people. Again, how often do drunken retards start shit storms with each other in those environments? There is an appalling amount of negative energy already present in bars, that’s not even counting the fights. Yet they still get to keep coming back. 

As far as this pretending to be open to someone out of fear of how they might react if you reject them, what do those who use this tactic plan to do when the approacher asks for the number or goes for the close? At that point the entire jig is up and all your previous efforts are wasted because the guy now knows he’s being rejected. There are other problems with this tactic as well. To be effective you would have to be suspicious in this way of every single person you meet. Psychos and rapists can have just as good or better EQ as anyone, you are statistically far more likely to be victimized by someone you know than some rando and there are significantly more who are simply awkward than mentally deranged. If spergs are so commonly mistaken for creeps, that should speak volumes about the accuracy of such a threat detection system.

[kieranperez]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, this is foolish. Do not fight. De-escalate and back away.

Dodging is a great skill. If someone takes a swing at you, dodge backwards. They won't anticipate that and lose their balance. Then go get security. You can also tell them that if they hit you will file assault charges and that it's not worth it to them. The key is not to fight.

You seem to think that I’m negating your point. I said nothing about go out and fight people. I suggested learning how to fight. People that don’t know how to fight or haven’t really been in fights are more likely to not know how to handle and deescalate those kinds of situations. It’s important to know how to handle yourself and also do the right thing. Guys who are trained and face those kinds of situations aren’t as easily freaked out and can also stand their own if they need. Obviously it’s a group of guys then yeah get out of there. I suggest learning something like BJJ. Those guys aren’t to be fucked with and also are very chill and often aren’t going around trying to punk people. It’s important to walk away. Obviously that’s the more intelligent decision. I’m adding how to fight so you don’t have to. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by kieranperez