Unvaccinated Travellers Barred from PLanes & Trains

[iceprincess]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/unvaccinated-travellers-rules-1.6267648

canadians who are unvaccinated are now barred from travelling on planes and trains effective Nov. 30. This came into effect as a response to the new omicron variant. What are your throughts on this? Is this completely necessary or is it  too extreme? 

[Bojan V]

That's a wonderful news. The same measures are implemented here in Slovenia as well and that's appropriate.

[Tanz]

This is a good video and it is unfair.  The people that are vaccinated are upset at those that are not taking it and they feel upset because they arent willing to take the tiny risk while they sacrificed for the "greater good."  
Freddie is vaccinated but his views on things are balanced and thoughtful.  

On the topic of planes.... well its their planes, their rules.....

We build a longer-term healthier society by not forcing people to do what we want them to do.  You can go down another slippery slope in countries that offer universal healthcare and start punishing those that are obese, depressed, smoke for costing the country more money by taking care of them.  We don't live in a society like that because forcing people to do things will lead to resentment and division.  

Its clear by now that the vaccinated only protect themselves because everyone is a spreader according to an Isreal study.  

 

[LfcCharlie4]

@iceprincess I swear everyday we get closer to living in a Black Mirror episode, if we aren't already. 

The most worrying thing of all, is people support it, wtf is happening 

[Ry4n]

Tbh I'm worried if I don't get the booster I'll be trapped in my state forever, this is fucked.

[LfcCharlie4]

@Ry4n Same here, never really wanted to take the jab as don't really see why a healthy 21 year old needed it but was told take it & you can travel do whatever etc etc 

Now its take 1-2 jabs a year, or you can't do anything basically. (Especially in countries like France & Cyprus where you need a vaccine passport to get your weekly shop...) 

to me, it seems like a veryyyy slippery slope, one that many alternative media sources said would happen in March 2020...

One things for certain, Pfizer, Moderna etc Stocks will only be going one way 

[Johnny Galt]

@LfcCharlie4 Sounds like the UK is encouraging for 4 jabs in a year. See one of the videos below

And For those who like puzzles, put together the following pieces and what do you see? 

 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Johnny Galt

[Arcangelo]

Too extreme. Authoritarian dystopia happening in front of our eyes.

Very sad.

[TDLH]

If governments, scientist and Big pharma were interested in your health and the collective health of everyone on this planet, they would have given out the patents to the vaccines to all countries around the globe to manufacture enough vaccines for everyone to take all together at the same time!  

Why have they not done that?????

If governments, scientist and Big pharma were interested in your health and the collective health of everyone on this planet, they would have developed a “Titer” test (By Now) for the Covid virus to see how susceptible each person is to the virus, and then determine if an individual requires several shoots of vaccine, or NOT!  

Why have they not done that?????  (Please don’t respond with they haven’t had enough time or money!)

If governments, scientist and Big pharma were interested in your health and the collective health of everyone on this planet, they would have documented each person that got infected by the Covid virus and provided them with a passport that is just as valid as receiving 2 vaccines!

Why have they not done that?????    (Please don’t respond with, vaccines provide you with better protection and immunity!)

If governments, scientist and Big pharma were interested in your health and the collective health of everyone on this planet, why is it there knee jerk reaction to have everyone get booster shots to battle this new variant, when they really don’t know what they are dealing with?

So, is it our collective responsibility to get booster shots every couple of months with every new variant? 

Seriously, it’s like the blind leading the blind!

Are we reverting back to Purple and Blue SD dogma?

Again! This is not about Pro-vax and Antivax.  This is about questioning the Rabbit hole that the governments, scientist and Big pharma are steering us towards!

We can only make informed chooses when we have “reasonably” exhausted all questions and probable outcomes to determine the next course of action. (Please don’t respond with, "we haven’t had enough time" BS!  That answer worked two years ago when we needed to do something for the sake of doing something.  Yes, almost two years ago we had to act first and ask questions "later".  Well now we are in the “Later” phase/period!)

Having said that, I am no longer willing to follow the governments, scientist and Big pharma blindly without questioning the long term goals, and they start showing me more transparency.  I will no longer follow them Blindly down this rabbit hole until they get there shit together, and stop flying by the seat of there pants with new rules, recommendations and policies that change every couple of days!

Just sharing a few thoughts, ideas and beliefs!

Edited December 1, 2021 by TDLH

[Arcangelo]

I am not getting the vaccine.

My body my choice.

[sholomar]

The left used to be the biggest naturalists of them all, basically founding forums like curezone. It's amazing to see them flip to ardent supporters of big pharma so quickly. The science doesn't even support continued masking once people are vaccinated, because our body loses immunity to coronaviruses in 6-9 months which is why all these "super colds" are going around because people masking, locking down, they aren't being exposed to these viruses so their immune system loses much of it's strength.  Spreading it around so people get it after they are vaccinated would be a better long term idea than the way they keep locking people down. As for the unvaccinated, that should be their choice.  Nobody under 30 really needs a vaccine, and kids certainly don't need to be masked up in school all day.

The fact is we all die eventually. If an 84 year old lives two more years, is it really worth forever masking society over trying to prevent the spread of an endemic virus that will never go away?  Exercise. Eat well. Take Zinc and Vitamin D... or not. Freedom of choice. Give the elderly extra protection... make sure people in nursing homes are getting their boosters, every 6 months. It's the one size fits all solution that doesn't make sense to me.

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by sholomar

[Christoph Werner]

@TDLH Very good post! I agree with you 100%. 

[Yarco]

The fact that they no longer accept a negative covid-19 test from within 24 hours before your flight says this isn't about the disease any more, it's about control.

If someone can prove they don't have covid, why shouldn't they be allowed to fly, even without a vaccine? The people who are fully vaccinated shouldn't have to worry, and the unvaccinated know the risk they're taking.

[blankisomeone]

no vax no travel, deal with it.

[Deajar-David Lazer]

The reason cited for this is to stop the spread of the virus and protect everyone from being infected ( a noble cause but...). Firstly, it has been demonstrated in countless studies that the vaccines do not stop the spread. They do not stop infection. What they do is suppress the severity of the symptoms. As humans vary from person to person, this completely depends on other factors like age, underlying conditions, and even specific genetics. Double vaccinated people are still dying... The viral load for vaccinated and vaccine-free is the same. The vaccine-free will probably suffer worse symptoms needing hospitalization but again, some of those will die where others won't even know they have the virus and have no symptoms at all. It's all completely personal. A vaccine protects only the person who gets it from severe symptoms. it doesn't protect anyone else. That person can still be infected and spread the virus so having a vaccine and a little covid pass on a phone screen will not protect anyone else from contracting it. So even if there are no vaccine-free individuals on public transport, the virus will still continue to propagate its way through the travelers. It's all utter nonsense. I should however mention that the observations about the new Omnicron variant are promising in that it is acting more like a common cold. While it is highly transmissible it is not making people as sick. It will outcompete Delta in a matter of weeks and if it remains the case that the positive cases are still not showing severe illness then this could be the end of the pandemic and we'll enter the endemic phase. Vaccine boosters will not be necessary for this as the T-Cell memory from the initial vaccine will still be effective even if the antibody count has dropped. I think it's more important to remember that it's not the content, it's the behavior, and if you catch yourself fearful, angry, hating or judging someone else for living their life how they see fit then you need to look in the mirror. 

We need to start learning the difference between education and propaganda because what's happening, particularly in western 'democratic' countries, is starting to resemble mass psychosis and totalitarianism. Both sides of the ever more polarizing fragments of society have exactly the same concerns but because they are too busy fighting each other instead of listening, they completely miss the points being made. The rest of us are standing watching on the outskirts wondering how we can learn and grow from this catalyst.... because it's got to a point that if history repeats itself this time and we've collectively learned nothing, there is no point in civilization. We are either going to stand for an open and transparent future with real respectful progress or we submit to someone else's ideology which will eventually collapse civilization because it is not sustainable.

[Opo]

On 05/12/2021 at 9:51 PM, Yarco said:

The fact that they no longer accept a negative covid-19 test from within 24 hours before your flight says this isn't about the disease any more, it's about control.

If someone can prove they don't have covid, why shouldn't they be allowed to fly, even without a vaccine? The people who are fully vaccinated shouldn't have to worry, and the unvaccinated know the risk they're taking.

Pcr test? 

[Opo]

14 minutes ago, Deajar-David Lazer said:

Firstly, it has been demonstrated in countless studies that the vaccines do not stop the spread. 

It reduces it... 

[ThermalTide]

I think it's scary honestly

[PurpleTree]

it's trash

those people are loonies

[BlackMaze]

I guess some people are happy about the fucked up measures in every country and like being part of this stupid separation and support it. Most people are now vaccinated at least in many countries. Because they took the decision now they are willing to accept everything and support this madness because not doing so would make them look stupid and worst of all wrong. Nobody wants to be wrong. What can a 5% of people do? Not much. They are the weird ones and there is enough police to deal with their silly demonstrations. They are killing your grandma after all. Tv controls society. Still. Just go take your daily vaccine until you too hopefully had enough.