How to get let in clubs solo

[Pavement]

The party culture in America is just very different to that of Europe..

..Partying there is very glamourised, only well off or beautiful people can go to the parties which Leo mentions. So if you aren’t rich or super hot then forget it.  Just another example of a class divide.. it’s more an issue of social status/social class.  Which is why there is so much emphasis being put on working on your social status and working hard to gain access to these places so you can climb the hierarchy ladder.. 

..It’s like the options are either very high class and expensive parties where you need to be VIP to gain access, or the other option is parties for peasants and ugly people. Not really a middle ground..

..So then people will work harder to gain access to the vip parties, which creates a very materialistic outlook.. and your worth as a human becomes dependent upon your place in the social market..

..and I’m not saying these things don’t exist in Europe, snobbery is everywhere.. but the difference is that you don’t have to go to the VIP places or spend a lot of money to meet attractive women..

..because party culture in European countries is more spread out over the the different social and economic classes, and you have all types of people mixing within the same clubs and bars because clubs are affordable for everyone. 

[Preety_India]

14 minutes ago, Pavement said:

I nearly spat my cornflakes out when I saw Calvin Harris was still relevant let alone 300$ to see.

My God, please tell me who this Calvin Harris is. And I'm no newbie. I know major Hollywood pop stars like Justin Bieber and all the Hollywood current famous artists in music, yet I haven't heard of this Calvin guy lol. 

By the way I won't pay even $10 to watch Drake. Too boring. 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Preety_India

[something_else]

4 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

My God, please tell me who this Calvin Harris is

He's a DJ from Scotland (where I live), which is the only reason I recognise the name  Never listened to or seen him anywhere though

Edited November 22, 2021 by something_else

[Lyubov]

@Pavement This guy gets it. You did a great job describing the differences in the nightlife and my issue with US nightlife.

Socialism in ACTION in European clubs  The same beautiful girls vining to get to one those tables in a Vegas club are just chilling and dancing in European clubs waiting for some dick, and you can get to them after a small cover or even for free if you know how to dress well and show up properly. Guys are way less thirsty/desperate in Euro clubs as well I've noticed. Way less of that competition feel to get laid. US finding a way to monetize nightlife like this has super fueled the simp culture and try-hard alpha male dynamic in these clubs. It makes sense why Leo is so hesitant to buy girls drinks when he goes out. Not the same in Europe. The elite business sheik status creates a super competitive/raw environment in US clubs. It is NOT fun to game in those clubs feeling like you have something to prove.

The vibe is just different and the sort of class divide is less present so people are way less competitive and often times not trying to prove something as much in Germany, Spain, Amsterdam, etc. The DJs are way better too. No one is paying $180 to hear Steve Aoki play, they want to get in a photo with him for their IG. The artistic integrity is better in Euro clubs as well. Tale of Us, Nina Kraviz, Solomun, Black Coffee, etc can literally go to world class venues and see these amazing DJs and meet the most beautiful women in the world for like $40.... Like their healthcare, US people are getting ripped off with their nightlife! 

Also don't get me started on drug culture in US night clubs. It's all about cocaine which is not a good drug to take regularly for one's psychology. In Europe it's Molly which is WAY better for accessing the most incredible and erotic love with the opposite sex (or same)  It just puts people in such a caring and loving place, cocaine makes people aggressive and egotistical. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Lyubov

[Preety_India]

3 minutes ago, Pavement said:

He was popular in the late 2000s/early 2010’s.  I saw him in Ibiza In 2010, I also saw 50 cent at amnesia club in Ibiza, in 2011 and paid 50€!

I'm not sure if 50€ is a huge thing. But imo I still would never spend money on these gigs, clubs, concerts etc, seems like filling up the pockets of shallow pop stars who are already swimming in money thanks to naive people throwing money at them simply to get a glimpse, not saying that they don't have talent, yet in my opinion they are mostly hyped and overpaid. My money can go to something useful like a great meal at a cozy restaurant or a nice book or beach drinks. At least I get something of value in return. Some relaxation. 

 

 

[StarStruck]

@Lyubov how did you develop the fuckboy frame? Which sources did you use?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, Tangerinedream said:

But one thing I never resonated with was this very very fake party culture, like jersey shore style, I always cringed at this.  It’s more the tackiness of it that I cringe at and it’s super pretentious. Yeah it’s stage orange but you have to be a particular type of person who enjoys that kinda thing, stage orange can be expressed in other ways.  

Ironically, you are being the shallow one by being so judgmental of people who just want to have a fun night out at a party.

You have demonized partying.

Take the spiritual stick out of your butt.

3 hours ago, Tangerinedream said:

Exactly. It’s basically an American and British thing going to these big expensive clubs.  Even The biggest clubs in Berlin are like 20€ to get in.

The clubs and DJs in Vegas are the best in the world. These clubs cost millions to build and operate. These are not some mom and pop operations.

[Preety_India]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Ironically, you are being the shallow one by being so judgmental of people who just want to have a fun night out at a party.

If you just want these girls for a night of sex, then why do you spend at these expensive nightclubs. Why don't you just hire escorts? 

Why do you need to do all this if your goal is to get sex for a night? 

Just curious. 

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Preety_India

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

If you just want these girls for a night of sex, then why do you spend at these expensive nightclubs. Why don't you just hire escorts? 

Why do you need to do all this if your goal is to get sex for a night? 

Just curious.

As I said many times, it's not about the sex. It's about developing oneself into a strong man and building skills and charisma.

A good escort in Vegas will cost $1000+. And she will not be as hot or nice as a girl you develop a genuine connection with.

It's not just a night of sex. These girls can be converted to a girlfriend, wife, whatever.

Think of what it does to a guy's self-esteem if the only way he knows how to get sex is through prostitutes.

How would you feel if the only guys who wanted to fuck you, you had to pay them? You would want to kill yourself.

Most nights I get into the best clubs for free. If pay cover I see it as an investment into a life-long skill set. A good self-help or biz seminar might cost $2000-$5000. Investing $10,000 into building game is a great investment for a guy.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Tangerinedream said:

And hanging out in expensive clubs to try and get sex isn’t shallow? 
I didn’t demonize partying.  I like parties. I was simply pointing out the fakeness of those types of clubs, and as others have pointed out the social hierarchy aspect of it all.  Only the rich and beautiful can survive there.

Most socialization is shallow. Not everything in life needs to be profound or "spiritual". You're not gonna get laid or find your soul mate sitting at home reading philosophy books. Chances are you will meet your husband/wife through some shallow social activity, not anything profound.

Why do you disparage it as "fake"? A party is a party. Vegas parties are just bigger and cooler than most other parties. There's nothing any more fake about it than a tribe of 20 naked shamans dancing around a bonfire in the Amazon. Humans have been partying and getting laid since the dawn of time. A party is not supposed to be profound.

[Preety_India]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

A good escort in Vegas will cost $1000+. And she will not be as hot or nice as a girl you develop a genuine connection with.

It's not just a night of sex. These girls can be converted to a girlfriend, wife, whatever.

Prostitutes and escorts are a bit different. Escorts can be really hot looking. 

 

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Think of what it does to a guy's self-esteem if the only way he knows how to get sex is through prostitutes.

I think this is pure social conditioning. I don't see anything wrong with seeking sex via a prostitute or escort. If someone wanted to be experimental with sex, they can choose how they want it to be. Of course the game component doesn't exist. 

 

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How would you feel if the only guys who wanted to fuck you, you had to pay them? You would want to kill yourself.

I wouldn't feel bad at all. I won't judge it. It's just me having fun  

I won't stoop to social conditioning to get my needs met. 

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I wouldn't feel bad at all. I won't judge it. It's just me having fun

You have no idea what you're saying.

[mmKay]

@Preety_India

bruh

[something_else]

47 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I think this is pure social conditioning. I don't see anything wrong with seeking sex via a prostitute or escort. If someone wanted to be experimental with sex, they can choose how they want it to be. Of course the game component doesn't exist. 

In my opinion, using escorts only becomes acceptable if you have so much money the payment doesn't even make a dent in you, the investment is so low on your part that it doesn't matter. And if you're that wealthy you're probably capable of meeting girls through other means anyway

If you're just a regular dude with average or even above average income, consistently splurging on prostitutes/escorts will destroy your self esteem in myriad of ways

[Lyubov]

2 hours ago, StarStruck said:

@Lyubov how did you develop the fuckboy frame? Which sources did you use?

The same ways that have been touted here, especially since Leo got more active in this section. That classic sort of RSD game approach. Todd V is a good example who still teaches this type of approach. Look him up on YouTube. It’s not useless information and is still a very valuable skill set but I also recommend guys just getting into it to be prepared to balance it out with inner work and more holistic approaches to women/dating/sex when they feel they have gotten their fill of the fuckboy/badboy side you gotta cultivate.

The best mix I’ve seen of this is James Marshall / The Natural Lifestyle on YouTube. These guys have very solid game and IMO it’s a much more healthier form of game. They do take the sort of classic bad boy aspects that a guy does need to be attractive but they also don’t neglect the more sensitive and emotional sides, boyfriend side, etc. when things are in balance the results you will get will not only be good but you will also feel quite fulfilled by them. 

One of the biggest limitations with the game being touted here and with Vegas game is that it sets few guys up to becoming sex gods. When you realize that becoming absolutely incredible in bed and an incredible lover is perhaps the most important thing you can do for your overall attractive levels for a woman you will know you are on the right path. This specific quality and skill is something that’s very hard to develop if you aren’t willing to surrender to love and requires a ton of inner work and emotional vulnerability, just having ONS at a holiday resort city is not enough to develop this. Women subconsciously feel when a guy has developed himself to sex god statues and it permeates through all layers of your game. You can be an ok guy with ok game and ok finances and be a sex god and beautiful women will feel that and you will get laid regularly if your logistics are ok, they will stay around as well. This requires doing deep inner work and facing all the uncomfortable beliefs and buried traumas. 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Lyubov

[Preety_India]

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Preety_India it has nothing to do with social conditioning! Would you really be ok with knowing that nobody will ever genuinely love you, or care about you, or want to have sex with you and that the only reason anybody would be with you is because they are getting paid for it an hourly rate? You need to completely give up on yourself and on a chance of your life being something other than garbage to be ok with that. 

Seriously, I am a virgin, and I would rather stay a virgin for the rest of my life than pay for people to have sex with me cause that would mean that I've completely lost any hope, respect for myself, and trust in me being actually loveable by someone the way I am.

Again I see this as social conditioning, as though getting sex by other means should be demonized for some reason. Here I'm not talking about love or relationship. It's only about sex. So if someone isn't able to get sex in usual or social ways, they can resort to such means to get their sexual desires fulfilled, gender being irrelevant. I don't see a problem with it, instead of thinking of it as something horrible or garbage, I see it as a suitable alternative for those who have a high sex drive and have been sex deprived for long. I absolutely don't see any problem with it. Anything against is a deeply held social belief that anyone who wants to satisfy themselves this way is a loser, which shouldn't have to be. 

 

[Vivaldo]

5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Again I see this as social conditioning, as though getting sex by other means should be demonized for some reason. Here I'm not talking about love or relationship. It's only about sex. So if someone isn't able to get sex in usual or social ways, they can resort to such means to get their sexual desires fulfilled, gender being irrelevant. I don't see a problem with it, instead of thinking of it as something horrible or garbage, I see it as a suitable alternative for those who have a high sex drive and have been sex deprived for long. I absolutely don't see any problem with it. Anything against is a deeply held social belief that anyone who wants to satisfy themselves this way is a loser, which shouldn't have to be. 

 

That's very mature and nuanced. 

Agreed ?

[soos_mite_ah]

Just as a question with guys on this forum who go clubbing often. How many of your romantic dating experiences and relationship experiences have come from meeting girls in clubs? And how do you think those experiences shaped how you think of dating now? 

 

 

[Bando]

43 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Wether you accept it or not, if you decide to hire a prostitute, you probably have an underlying belief that you won't be able to find a person who will be genuinely interested in having sex or something more with you.

This isnt always true some guys just have an urge to sex and nothing more, they don't want to dance around and play games and don't expect anything afterwards. 

[wildflower]

People on this forum have a chronic issue with speaking authoritatively in absolutes, I've never experienced it before. People can have sex with prostitutes' for a whole host of reasons; some more common then others, but to posit a single one as absolutely the case is madness