why do most poor people in the US vote for Democrats according to spiral dynamics?

[benjamindavidsteele]

I'm not sure why anyone would laugh at facts that can be verified with a quick perusal of scientific research and public polling. It would be more meaningful, respectful, and intelligent to respond with rational and evidence-based counter-argument. One is forced to assume that one who laughs in such a manner is inadvertently admitting that they are not capable of doing anything else, indicating the weakness of their position and the weakness of their intellect.

For example, look at the many years of data on public opinion. Poor people in the US voting Democratic while supposedly being 'conservative' is because they aren't really all that conservative. Part of the problem is one has to understand the vast difference between symbolic ideology and pragmatic ideology. Most Americans, when given a forced choice, will choose the label of 'conservative' over 'liberal'; although, if given multiple choices, they'll choose 'progressive'.

That is mostly the result of the Wirthlin effect. Republicans long ago realized how easy it is to manipulate through culture war, class and racial anxiety, and identity politics. But what can't be so easily manipulated is the growing left-liberalism in the population. Consider that the majority of Americans stated support for same sex marriage at a time when the DNC elite (e.g., Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) were still using triangulation to woo far right voters by promising they wouldn't support any policies for same sex marriage. 

None of that is anything to laugh about. These are simply facts. The rest of my claims can be easily verified as well. Just do a web search about ideology and size of brain structures or parasite load. A ton of research papers and popular articles will come up in the top results. It's not hard to do for anyone with an ounce of curiosity and self-honesty. Just do it. Look at the evidence for yourself. I triple dog dare you! Even Jordan Peterson, the darling of many on the political right, agrees about the correlation of parasite load and conservatism.

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/wirthlin-effect-symbolic-conservatism/

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2020/11/08/fox-news-americans-are-the-left-wing-enemy-threatening-america/

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2021/04/07/american-leftist-supermajority/

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1371600746517499906

https://www.google.com/search?q="parasite+load"+OR+"parasite+threat"+OR+"parasites"+OR+"pathogens"+OR+"pathogen+avoidance"+OR+"infectious+disease"+"conservative"+OR+"conservatism"+OR+"authoritarian"+OR+"authoritarianism"

https://www.google.com/search?q="liberals"+OR+"conservatives"+"amygdala"+OR+"prefrontal+cortex"+OR+"neocortex"+OR+"anterior+cingulate"

Edited March 1, 2022 by benjamindavidsteele

[Preety_India]

1 hour ago, benjamindavidsteele said:

I'm not sure why anyone would laugh at facts that can be verified with a quick perusal of scientific research and public polling. It would be more meaningful, respectful, and intelligent to respond with rational and evidence-based counter-argument. One is forced to assume that one who laughs in such a manner is inadvertently admitting that they are not capable of doing anything else, indicating the weakness of their position and the weakness of their intellect.

For example, look at the many years of data on public opinion. Poor people in the US voting Democratic while supposedly being 'conservative' is because they aren't really all that conservative. Part of the problem is one has to understand the vast difference between symbolic ideology and pragmatic ideology. Most Americans, when given a forced choice, will choose the label of 'conservative' over 'liberal'; although, if given multiple choices, they'll choose 'progressive'.

That is mostly the result of the Wirthlin effect. Republicans long ago realized how easy it is to manipulate through culture war, class and racial anxiety, and identity politics. But what can't be so easily manipulated is the growing left-liberalism in the population. Consider that the majority of Americans stated support for same sex marriage at a time when the DNC elite (e.g., Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama) were still using triangulation to woo far right voters by promising they wouldn't support any policies for same sex marriage. 

None of that is anything to laugh about. These are simply facts. The rest of my claims can be easily verified as well. Just do a web search about ideology and size of brain structures or parasite load. A ton of research papers and popular articles will come up in the top results. It's not hard to do for anyone with an ounce of curiosity and self-honesty. Just do it. Look at the evidence for yourself. I triple dog dare you! Even Jordan Peterson, the darling of many on the political right, agrees about the correlation of parasite load and conservatism.

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/wirthlin-effect-symbolic-conservatism/

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2020/11/08/fox-news-americans-are-the-left-wing-enemy-threatening-america/

https://benjamindavidsteele.wordpress.com/2021/04/07/american-leftist-supermajority/

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1371600746517499906

https://www.google.com/search?q="parasite+load"+OR+"parasite+threat"+OR+"parasites"+OR+"pathogens"+OR+"pathogen+avoidance"+OR+"infectious+disease"+"conservative"+OR+"conservatism"+OR+"authoritarian"+OR+"authoritarianism"7

https://www.google.com/search?q="liberals"+OR+"conservatives"+"amygdala"+OR+"prefrontal+cortex"+OR+"neocortex"+OR+"anterior+cingulate"

How can you so politely insult the intelligence of conservatives? I'm literally gobsmacked at your confidence. How do you know that liberals aren't voting out of fear and brainwashing? And how do you psychologically interpret someone who can be brainwashed? Intelligent? 

What I really laughed about is that you directly went at the amygdala of the conservatives. That was too funny. Nobody had tried that before. 

But I'm not sure how much of what you said is really true. It will take a while for me to go through all the evidence you have posted. 

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by Preety_India

[benjamindavidsteele]

I'm literally gobsmacked that someone is gobsmacked by the idea we should base our views on the available scientific evidence. And then at the end of their comment admit they don't know what is scientifically known.

[benjamindavidsteele]

It says a lot when someone laughs in ignorance at another's knowledge. Nothing I stated can't be easily confirmed by doing a quick web search through the scientific literature. But knowledge can't be forced on those who fear knowledge.