How To Solve Organized Crime?

[Baum]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why?

Because cocaine makes ego more dense and opiods make you a wreck their so addictive.

put that in a neighbourhood with a lot of trauma, crime and trauma from crime and you will get more crazy thugs and junkies.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Baum

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Baum said:

Because cocaine makes ego more dense and opiods make you a wreck their so addictive.

put that in a neighbourhood with a lot of trauma, crime and trauma from crime and you will get more crazy thugs and junkies.

Put a neighborhood in jail and you'll see where the trauma comes from.

Why is it that white teenagers can binge drink alcohol their entire youth and still turn out as decent citizens?

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, Baum said:

i hear you, but i dont see what it has to do with cocaine and opiods as described?

It's to show that keeping those drugs illegal is absurd when alcohol is literally 3x more harmful overall.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Baum said:

harmful in what way?

You can read a graph.

[Baum]

you're using me as a canvas to fight your fears.

not cool

 

[Rilles]

@Carl-Richard @Baum The important thing is to get the drugs out of the hands of criminals or by making it legal to get the competition from being unhealthy Red to healthy Orange, so they dont need to shoot eachother over drug deals. 

[Baum]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

@Carl-Richard @Baum The important thing is to get the drugs out of the hands of criminals or by making it legal to get the competition from being unhealthy Red to healthy Orange, so they dont need to shoot eachother over drug deals. 

You mean you are ok with them being able to build companies that pay taxes and advertise and sell any drug to anybody of age?

With a political lobby and all that?

Edited November 21, 2021 by Baum

[Rilles]

6 minutes ago, Baum said:

You mean you are ok with them being able to build companies that pay taxes and advertise and sell any drug to anybody of age?

With a political lobby and all that?

Details are not important at the moment, a change is important, even the Public Health Agency in Sweden agrees that drugs should be decriminalized here. Its the politicians that are unwilling to budge.

Imo, the state should regulate drugs like they do with alcohol and by the way decriminalization doesnt mean that you should be able to sell cocaine in the grocery store. Legalization and decriminalization are the not same thing. 

[Carl-Richard]

5 hours ago, Rilles said:

The important thing 

It's to stop destroying marginalized communities by putting all the fathers in jail. The sons have no choice but to deal drugs. Privileged people can still do illegal drugs and turn out fine because they're supported by a functional community.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

It's to stop destroying marginalized communities by putting all the fathers in jail. The sons have no choice but to deal drugs. Privileged people can still do illegal drugs and turn out fine because they're supported by a functional community.

Its a multi-dimensional problem as I have already pointed out, all the solutions have to be combined. Fatherlessness is also important in general, although I dont know if fatherlessness is a big factor in my particular country, I will have to look that up. Its definitely important in the US. 

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Rilles said:

Its a multi-dimensional problem as I have already pointed out, all the solutions have to be combined. Fatherlessness is also important in general, although I dont know if fatherlessness is a big factor in my particular country, I will have to look that up. Its definitely important in the US. 

The same dynamic exists in other countries. Who are the drug dealers? The people in broken communities. How do you perpetuate a broken community? Punish them, treat them as second class citizens; "druggies", "criminals", "homeless people."

[Baum]

You guys have to decide which it stage you think these people are, because stage red isn't compelled by social reputation, if these stereotypes are red.

 

I believe you guys are off track.

 

Look inside what self believes constituted such mind set and then look for societal ways of transforming these believes.

 

[Rilles]

19 minutes ago, Baum said:

stage red isn't compelled by social reputation

What do you mean by that?

[Arcangelo]

6 hours ago, Baum said:

You mean you are ok with them being able to build companies that pay taxes and advertise and sell any drug to anybody of age?

Absolutely

[Loba]

@PurpleTree Oh no!  Well, what then?  It has to be fair, humane and able to lift everyone up.  I am sort of entertaining these conversations to learn about these issues and don't really know a whole lot about it, but thought I'd jump in on a few issues and try to pick it up.  Mostly, I'm trying to remember what I learned from high school, the news a few years ago and the spiral dynamic model and I have not studied that too well tbh.

[Yarco]

Most systems repeat themselves throughout society, just at different levels of complexity and scale.

Look at it on a lower level and then scale it up.

How would a group of kids deal with a bully at school?

How would you deal with a bully if going to the teacher wasn't possible or effective

(in the case of organized crime, if the police aren't effective or are corrupt / getting paid off by criminals.)

[Rilles]

6 hours ago, Yarco said:

Most systems repeat themselves throughout society, just at different levels of complexity and scale.

Look at it on a lower level and then scale it up.

How would a group of kids deal with a bully at school?

How would you deal with a bully if going to the teacher wasn't possible or effective

(in the case of organized crime, if the police aren't effective or are corrupt / getting paid off by criminals.)

Thats a very good point! Scale is definitely something to keep in mind! Thanks for that!

The police are very low in corruption here. The healthy BLUE in the system is very strong.  

Here is a very good example of cooperating at a larger scale to get a hold of the information flows:

 

Edited November 22, 2021 by Rilles