Pickup feels fake and low conscious

[Salvijus]

@zazen okey okey, ? you made some good points.

I agree, socializing is great and can be beautiful could be healthy also, but pick up is different. It's like a game you play to get laid, that what's lame and low conciousness about it. If people focued on how to build strong, lasting, loving solid relationship, I would say bravo!. But when people say how to make a woman sleep with you because you can't hold your dick in your pants for 1week. I just go facepalm ? 

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Edited November 15, 2021 by Salvijus

[Flowerfaeiry]

Oh my goodness this thread! More of us women need to get out there and experience men!! There are so many different types of men, relationships and interactions that exist and can only be experienced in real life. Become aware of your own games! The less aware you are of these games the more likely it is you’re playing them. 

You can consciously use the fact that men like sex to your and their advantage. Become the sensual, feeling, emotional being you are!

[Hello from Russia]

36 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I would love nothing more than for women to only sleep with the most conscious guys.

But they do exactly that, no? They basically want the highest degree of wokeness person in all areas of his life. Of course just being the master of breath meditation is not gonna cut it

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

It sounds awfully like you're saying that women don't have the ability to be attracted to consciousness and will only fall for survival capital?

Of course.

Sex is survival.

Not just women, men too. Your genitals don't care about consciousness.

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If I can recognize the value of consciousness vs survival elsewhere, I can definitely do it as well with men.

You can say whatever you want but most women are attracted to low consciousness behavior. Which is why the most low consciousness guys get laid the most and the most conscious guys get laid the least.

[something_else]

24 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

It sounds awfully like you're saying that women don't have the ability to be attracted to consciousness and will only fall for survival capital? 

If I can recognize the value of consciousness vs survival elsewhere, I can definitely do it as well with men.

If you can recognise the value of consciousness, then would you say that a shy guy who can barely leave his house, barely talk to humans, male or female, and is riddled with social anxiety is high consciousness?

Because if not, then there needs to be a set of instructions to take a dude like that and get them over all that shit and pickup is the most practical way to do that. Call it socialisation if you want, that's a better way to frame it but it's still fundamentally similar in that it involves going out and socialising with others on a consistent and frequent basis, usually with a focus on girls since that's where guys get the most anxious

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I agree, socializing is great and can be beautiful could be healthy also, but pick up is different. It's like a game you play to get laid, that what's lame and low conciousness about it. If people focued on how to build strong, lasting, loving solid relationship, I would say bravo!. But when people say how to make a woman sleep with you because you can't hold your dick in your pants for 1week. I just go facepalm

What is inherently more conscious about a strong long term relationship than exploring your sexuality in a short term one?

[Ineedanswers]

@Leo Gura Leo is there any difference between intimate human relationships and the courting process monkeys and other animals go through? I like to think that there is more to human relationships than my reptilian brain/biology provoking me and incentivizing me to reproduce.(similar to the relationships you see onDisney movies and titanic etc).i like to think that human intimitate relationships are highconsiouse and different from the relationships other animals have(which are mainly just to reproduce). But is this actually true? Or is the complexity of our mating strategy blinding me? Similarly to how the complexity of my basic survival(having a job etc) makes me forget that what I’m doing is no different than a bird building a nest.do I just like to think I’m smarter/more special than I am?

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[SQAAD]

@Shin

7 hours ago, Shin said:

 

Please don't kill yourself man

 

I don't have to. I am already dead. This is not life. This is death.

[Salvijus]

5 minutes ago, something_else said:

What is inherently more conscious about a strong long term relationship than exploring your sexuality in a short term one?

It's not about long or short relationships. It's about whether a relationship is based on respect, love and acceptance. Or is it based on manipulation and pretending and playing mind games to get what you want.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Salvijus

[Etherial Cat]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Of course.

Sex is survival.

Not just women, men too. You genitals don't care about consciousness.

Hum yes, they do. They are link to my emotional system, and I don't get wet for low consciousness guys as they only trigger in me indifference or annoyance.

I am as attracted to low conscious guys holistically as I am let's say intellectually drawn by Donald Trump.

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You can say whatever you want but most women are attracted to low consciousness behavior.

Most customers in the self-help business in general are attracted to low consciousness behavior, yet you're focusing on attracting a specific audience who can stomach your actual development. But you're using a smart combo of consciousness and survival, which works well for you.

You could do the same with girls.

Imagine if you had spent your whole career on actualized.org making clickbait self-help video on stage Orange subject, because "this is were most people are at".

What's the difference?

[Etherial Cat]

8 minutes ago, something_else said:

If you can recognise the value of consciousness, then would you say that a shy guy who can barely leave his house, barely talk to humans, male or female, and is riddled with social anxiety is high consciousness?

Because if not, then there needs to be a set of instructions to take a dude like that and get them over all that shit and pickup is the most practical way to do that. Call it socialisation if you want, that's a better way to frame it but it's still fundamentally similar in that it involves going out and socialising with others on a consistent and frequent basis, usually with a focus on girls since that's where guys get the most anxious

You're not portraying a developed individual showing high consciousness traits.

For others elements on how I conceived things, you can maybe read my earlier entrances on this thread.

12 minutes ago, something_else said:

What is inherently more conscious about a strong long term relationship than exploring your sexuality in a short term one?

There is nothing wrong with exploring sexuality. The things discussed here are a bit more contextualized than this simplification.

[Gesundheit2]

46 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

If I can recognize the value of consciousness vs survival elsewhere, I can definitely do it as well with men.

1. You can't recognize the value of consciousness vs survival anywhere, since such recognition would be part of your survival (because value = survival).
2. It's not like we are choosing between two paths, where either of them leads to higher consciousness and death, and the other to low consciousness and survival. Consciousness and survival are two separate parameters.
3. High consciousness and survival are not opposites, and they do not contradict each other. Survival can be pursued consciously or unconsciously depending on the person doing the pursuing and their levels of consciousness.
4. The opposite of high consciousness is low consciousness. And the opposite of survival is death, or in other contexts ego-death.
5. Pickup, like any other activity, can be done consciously or unconsciously. Avoiding pickup will not increase consciousness, nor will doing it decrease consciousness.
6. What is the problem with Leo's advice? Can you point your finger exactly to what you think is harmful and should be corrected or removed from his advice? I have been wrong about things you were right about in the past, and I am all ears and ready to accept your perspective. Can you state clearly where you think the problem is?

[gettoefl]

@Etherial Cat

sexuality has to be gone into deeply and then transcended, it cannot be sidestepped or ignored

men want to do this via quantity, while women go for quality

you gotta get the sex out of your system, live it maximally, sow those oats, this is how the man frees oneself of it

meanwhile sex in the relationship is an entirely different can of worms, it is more about looking after the other's needs because you are already mature sexually yourself

men and women are different, if he doesn't exhaust his appetite and roving eye prior to the relationship, there is good chance he will be ruing any commitment decision and this is problematic

so of course pick up is low consciousness, it is what works to get you the sex that you need

 

 

[something_else]

33 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's not about long or short relationships. It's about whether a relationship is based on respect, love and acceptance. Or is it based on manipulation and pretending and playing mind games to get what you want.

While a lot of the stereotypes show pickup as being about manipulating women, and in many cases it is, like 90% of the posts here are focused on basic advice for what a guy has to do to not repel women. Which is usually: go outside. go to busy places. be sociable. talk to girls instead of leering at them from across the room. None of that is disrespectful or hateful towards women, it's just basic levels of development for guys who are shy

Pickup isn't inherently disrespectful towards women, it can and is practiced disrespectfully in a lot of cases but so are a lot of things. At it's core, going out a talking to girls they're attracted to is a healthy thing for guys to do and teaching guys to do it consciously which is what (mostly) happens here is nothing but beneficial

What advice would you give to guys who are shy, introverted, never seem to be able to attract girls, are always scared in social situations?

Edited November 15, 2021 by something_else

[Ineedanswers]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

he most low consciousness guys get laid the most and the most conscious guys get laid the least.

Who’ll get more ladies? Rupert spira ,sadhguru and eckartte tolle vs mystery/connor Murphy and neil strauss

[Intense]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There is nothing high consciousness about who women sleep with.

Please cut the BS.

If women slept with nice beta guys, that's what I would teach. I teach what women reward in the real world, not some fantasy.

I would love nothing more than for women to only sleep with the most conscious guys. But hell will sooner freeze over.

I almost completely agree, however women will be able to evolve in the coming 1000 years to be more attracted to higher consciousness, just like they have evolved to be attracted to ego in the past. In the coming 1000 years global society will move towards stage green which will increase the survival value of high consciousness guys. So i think saying hell will sooner freeze over is not in place here. But of course in our lifetimes almost nothing will change about what women are attracted to.

 

[Etherial Cat]

11 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

1. You can't recognize the value of consciousness vs survival anywhere, since such recognition would be part of your survival (because value = survival).
2. It's not like we are choosing between two paths, where either of them leads to higher consciousness and death, and the other to low consciousness and survival. Consciousness and survival are two separate parameters.
3. High consciousness and survival are not opposites, and they do not contradict each other. Survival can be pursued consciously or unconsciously depending on the person doing the pursuing and their levels of consciousness.
4. The opposite of high consciousness is low consciousness. And the opposite of survival is death, or in other contexts ego-death.

Survival can be pursued consciously or unconsciously depending on the person doing the pursuing and their levels of consciousness.

<- That's exactly my point 

What's the rest about, then? And lol at your 4 @Gesundheit  

20 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

1. What is the problem with Leo's advice? Can you point your finger exactly to what you think is harmful and should be corrected or removed from his advice? I have been wrong about things you were right about in the past, and I am all ears and ready to accept your perspective. Can you state clearly where you think the problem is?

I highlighted it in bold in a previous post. 

[Intense]

5 minutes ago, Ineedanswers said:

Who’ll get more ladies? Rupert spira ,sadhguru and eckartte tolle vs mystery/connor Murphy and neil strauss

Connor because he would be able to take the girls far in all his delusions and give them an emotional rollercoaster this way.

Zen devilry is probably a good mating strategy.

[unborn_chicken]

All I conclude from this thread is that endless debate leads nowhere.

In the end everyone will do what they will.

[Etherial Cat]

34 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

@Etherial Cat

so of course pick up is low consciousness, it is what works to get you the sex that you need

I'm talking about what comes after.

[Etherial Cat]

1 minute ago, unborn_chicken said:

All I conclude from this thread is that endless debate leads nowhere.

In the end everyone will do what they will.

There is for sure a sweetspot between discussing, cristalizing insights and losing your time debating. But I think you are right and I should stop all together as what I want to say has already been said.  

I'd just wish I had not several tags, because I feel bad not replying once someone replies me.