Those that deny change and differences

[WokeBloke]

So I feel like I've seen a lot of posts or comments on here saying change is imaginary and in reality there is no change or differences.

I'm very curious to hear somebody who believe this to elaborate.

Presumably you are everybody if there is only one being. 

So if you look at an ant (you) and you look at a human (you) then I find it absurd to say there is no change or evolution. 

I am genuinely curious given the fact that this earth is evolving so profoundly (in terms of humans and technology) that anybody can say there is no change or differences.

Isn't Elon Musk and an ant different? Or do you truly regard them as the same? They can be different and still be one. There must be a process that turns an ant into Elon Musk.

 

[Fearless_Bum]

@WokeBloke Hey, you're better served seriously contemplating these things for yourself. You can certainly Realize the truth in these things.

If you don't know for yourself, how is anyone's answer here gonna satisfy you? 

[WokeBloke]

33 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke Hey, you're better served seriously contemplating these things for yourself. You can certainly Realize the truth in these things.

If you don't know for yourself, how is anyone's answer here gonna satisfy you? 

I know my answer which is there is change and differences (see ant vs elon). I want to hear why people think there is no change in order to understand their point of view.

[Fearless_Bum]

@WokeBloke oh okay.

You see a flower that is dying.

The memory of the flower in its youth arises and you say "Oh the flower was once youthful, now its dead, boom, change!".

Whats here is here, and even impermanence/change is transcend-able.

Things are bound to be different, because things are created by thought and therefore are composed of distinctions.

Edited November 14, 2021 by Fearless_Bum

[Osaid]

When you look at the Mona Lisa, you distinguish Mona Lisa from the background and label her as a "human" and the things behind her as a "background", even though the painting and everything inside it is actually one thing. You project that distinction onto it. Now apply that to reality.

[WokeBloke]

55 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke oh okay.

You see a flower that is dying.

The memory of the flower in its youth arises and you say "Oh the flower was once youthful, now its dead, boom, change!".

Whats here is here, and even impermanence/change is transcend-able.

Things are bound to be different, because things are created by thought and therefore are composed of distinctions.

I disagree that things are created by thought. Thought describes what is seen. Blue vs red. Young vs old. The thoughts map onto real phenomenon. Whether you verbally distinguish between boiling and ice water doesn't negate the fact that if you put your hand in boiling water you know damn well there is a difference and it doesn't need to be articulated in words. Death can be transcended but change on the other hand I don't think so. Change is really all there is. One moment you see this post and the next moment you're 80 years old. At least that's my opinion.

Edited November 14, 2021 by WokeBloke

[WokeBloke]

23 minutes ago, Osaid said:

When you look at the Mona Lisa, you distinguish Mona Lisa from the background and label her as a "human" and the things behind her as a "background", even though the painting and everything inside it is actually one thing. You project that distinction onto it. Now apply that to reality.

It depends what level of analysis you are conducting. It is equally reasonable to analyze the painting as a whole and also to notice the various parts that compose the painting such as the body and the trees and so forth. I don't see how this applies to a world like ours though in which people stand out from the background. There is a major difference between an automobile and the driver of the automobile. Imagine driving through a street and not being able to distinguish where the various cars are because you say "It's all one thing"

[Fearless_Bum]

1 minute ago, WokeBloke said:

I disagree that things are created by thought. Thought describes what is seen. Blue vs red. Young vs old. The thoughts map onto real phenomenon. 

@WokeBloke Thought sneakily assumes that something is seen at all, and then creates labels upon it. 

2 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

Whether you call verbally distinguish between boiling and ice water doesn't negate the fact that if you put your hand in boiling water you know damn well there is a difference and it doesn't need to be articulated in words. 

There is actually no difference. If your hands are deep-frying youre not gonna be like " Oh this is heat, wow its different from ice cold water, look at me ive made a distinction!". Just because you move your hand out of the hot water doesnt mean it was because of a distinction you made. 

4 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:

Change is really all there is. One moment you see this post and the next moment you're 80 years old. At least that's my opinion.

You can take shit ridiculously deep when you contemplate these things. Impermanence is one of those things that people easily adopt as a belief because its a damn good pointer. But even impermanence isnt the ultimate truth.

[WokeBloke]

@Fearless_Bum

If you claim there is no difference between boiling and ice water then fundamentally we disagree and no progress can be made.

Edited November 14, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Fearless_Bum]

@WokeBloke hey I saw what you posted earlier change it back ?. 

Nah just kidding, it's all good .

[BipolarGrowth]

@WokeBloke go see the discussion between @Fearless_Bum and I on the last couple pages of this thread 

It covers some more intricacies of this question. 

[WokeBloke]

2 hours ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke hey I saw what you posted earlier change it back ?. 

Nah just kidding, it's all good .

lol sorry I get angry when people say there's no differences.

If you have two thought too choose from 

1. There are differences (hot water is different then cold water) - have two bowls in front of you and put your hands in both

2. There are no differences (lava is the same as ice)

 

One is more accurate in my view and I want to operate from thoughts that are in deepest alignment with reality.

 

Also I'm glad you noticed the change  Proves there was a change HAHA

Edited November 14, 2021 by WokeBloke