No Fixed Self

[WokeBloke]

So I thought I would give my perspective on the self vs no self debate.

 

Firstly the word self is used to refer to that which is experiencing. Or that which is seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, thinking.

So, when you say "myself" you are essentially referring to the fact that you are experiencing.

If you want to talk about yourself (or that which is experiencing) then you need the various subject pronouns (I, me, my, myself). Try to talk about your experience without using those words. To me this suggests that those words refer to a real subject or expereincer.

 

Now I would like to add that there is no fixed self. You are not a fixed being. You are a changing being. Thus, there is no fixed self/creator in the universe. There is only a changing self.

 

So, you are one changing self. I am one changing self. Potentially you and I are the same changing self.

There is no unchanging self. There is only a changing self that is potentially everybody and is undying.

And at the end of the day these are just ways of thinking about myself.

Edited November 12, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Fearless_Bum]

@WokeBloke Contemplate the very nature of experience. 

Contemplate each sensory field. (Visual, sound, touch,taste, smell)

Is there even experience at all?

You've been letting go of beliefs and it's opened up space for you to be conscious of this God-Mind, but now the God-Mind itself must be deconstructed. 

Kind of like having full awareness of the body, now you gotta bring the awareness to all the bones, organs, emotions, etc. 

[Carl-Richard]

There is no debate.

[WokeBloke]

8 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke Contemplate the very nature of experience. 

Contemplate each sensory field. (Visual, sound, touch,taste, smell)

Is there even experience at all?

You've been letting go of beliefs and it's opened up space for you to be conscious of this God-Mind, but now the God-Mind itself must be deconstructed. 

Kind of like having full awareness of the body, now you gotta bring the awareness to all the bones, organs, emotions, etc. 

I will contemplate this but I'll just write a quick post first to lead my investigation.

Your question is whether there is experience.

I'll give my definition of experience: Well experience is an all encompassing word. Essentially everything can be boiled down to experience. 

One experience might be the sensation that occurs when you pinch your hand. So when you pinch your hand (the harder the more clear it is) then see if you notice anything. When the pinch (experience) is too painful you stop which suggests the word experience refers to something real.

[Nahm]

No broken self either. 

[WokeBloke]

1 minute ago, Nahm said:

No broken self either. 

Someone who is creating hell on earth is broken.

[Fearless_Bum]

@WokeBloke the word experience may refer to something you'd call real, but it is still just a reference. 

Investigate each sensory field. You may discover that there are no senses at all, and the distinctions will disappear.

[WokeBloke]

12 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke the word experience may refer to something you'd call real, but it is still just a reference. 

Investigate each sensory field. You may discover that there are no senses at all, and the distinctions will disappear.

No doubt I am simply calling this an experience for lack of a better word. Just like I call this a computer. What a thing is called and what it actually is incomparable. 

However if you are trying to convince me that seeing (a sense) which refers to the state produced when one's eyes are opened is not real then I will have to disagree. For there is an undeniable difference between eyes open and eyes closed. There is a distinction. It's two different states. Two different experiences.

Edited November 12, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Fearless_Bum]

1 minute ago, WokeBloke said:

However if you are trying to convince me that seeing (a sense) which refers to the state of one's eyes being opened is not real then I will have to disagree. For there is an undeniable difference between eyes open and eyes closed. There is a distinction. It's two different states. Two different experiences.

@WokeBloke Apply a little open mindedness and just entertain my statement. Really investigate it. 

Also question states, I'd ask "how am I generating states? How do I literally create the concepts and then group them together and then call them states?" Like really dissect it. 

[WokeBloke]

6 minutes ago, Fearless_Bum said:

@WokeBloke Apply a little open mindedness and just entertain my statement. Really investigate it. 

Also question states, I'd ask "how am I generating states? How do I literally create the concepts and then group them together and then call them states?" Like really dissect it. 

I will and I am grateful for your suggestion. Still I know in the end if I am going to talk about any of this then I will have to use a word and that word will be experience since that's what the rest of humanity uses and that word refers to that which is beyond the word and can never be fully encapsulated by the word. It doesn't mean the word doesn't refer to something real. Just like the word computer refers to a real thing.

Edited November 12, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Fearless_Bum]

1 minute ago, WokeBloke said:

I will and I am grateful for your suggestion. Still I know in the end if I am going to talk about any of this then I will have to use a word and that word will be experience since that's what the rest of humanity uses and that word refers to that which is beyond the word and can never be fully encapsulated by a word.

@WokeBloke good! What's better is the direct Real-ization of this, then sure use whatever pointers you'd like as long as you tell others that they're pointers. 

[Nahm]

1 hour ago, WokeBloke said:

Someone who is creating hell on earth is broken.

Beliefs are veiling. 

[WokeBloke]

10 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Beliefs are veiling. 

You made the belief no one is broken

[Nahm]

@WokeBloke

The absence of a belief isn’t a belief. 

[WokeBloke]

10 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@WokeBloke

The absence of a belief isn’t a belief. 

You have the belief that everybody is dandy. I have the belief that everybody is not dandy.

[Nahm]

@WokeBloke

Nah, then I’d be suffering. 

[mandyjw]

If everyone is in flux then how could one possibly stop long enough to judge another one? 

[WokeBloke]

4 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

If everyone is in flux then how could one possibly stop long enough to judge another one? 

Simple in my view haha. There's plenty of time to do all of it. One moment I'm typing this post the next I'm judging somebody at my own peril and the next moment I'm making dinner.