Unpragmatism of TYT

[Opo]

Watch out with overly dramatic youtubers. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Opo

[Leo Gura]

All of progressivism is unpragmatic. That's sorta the point.

If progressivism was pragmatic it would be centrism and status quo. Status quo is what is most pragmatic at any given point.

[Opo]

The guy in the video is a progressive. He supported Bernie. 

What I meant is using the most effective method to bring in the progressive change instead of coming up with silly theories that aren't grounded in reality. 

[captainamerica]

1 hour ago, Opo said:

The guy in the video is a progressive. He supported Bernie. 

What I meant is using the most effective method to bring in the progressive change instead of coming up with silly theories that aren't grounded in reality. 

I agree. 

I was seriously considering supporting AOC before. Her policy and understanding will end up hurting people instead of helping them in the long term. 

Brainwashed progressives think that the disagreement means we are not supporting workers and poor people and many of the progressive leaders consciously paint us as such in order to further their own survival. But the disagreement is with their ideological thinking. 

Edited November 12, 2021 by captainamerica

[Opo]

1 hour ago, captainamerica said:

I was seriously considering supporting AOC before. Her policy and understanding will end up hurting people instead of helping them in the long term. 

How so? 

I don't follow her that closely but my understanding is that she became a lot wiser about this. 

[captainamerica]

1 minute ago, Opo said:

I don't follow her that closely but my understanding is that she became a lot wiser about this. 

That is what I expected as well.  

Will update ya. 

[diamondpenguin]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

All of progressivism is unpragmatic. That's sorta the point.

If progressivism was pragmatic it would be centrism and status quo. Status quo is what is most pragmatic at any given point.

That's how you know that pragmatism is too loosy goosy defined, and needs to be narrowed down to a more specific definition. The reason that is because progressivism is based upon imagination and achieving fairy tales that will eventually come true. Like you said, you just have to have faith in the process. You just have to believe in love and the power of the universe. 

[Preety_India]

I don't like tyt. More like a bunch of peddlers in my eyes. But I do think that they brought some lethal awareness to the problem of police brutality. 

I wasn't aware of police brutality until they brought it to my consciousness.. So I'll give them the credit for that. Otherwise and apart from that, I think they have probably contributed to worsening race relations in America with their covert rhetoric. 

 

[captainamerica]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If progressivism was pragmatic it would be centrism and status quo. Status quo is what is most pragmatic at any given point.

@Leo Gura That is a strawman and a very one-dimensional way of looking at things. 

[Harlen Kelly]

5 hours ago, captainamerica said:

I was seriously considering supporting AOC before. Her policy and understanding will end up hurting people instead of helping them in the long term. 

Elaborate, what policies supported or brought forward by AOC will hurt people?

Be specific. 

[captainamerica]

28 minutes ago, Harlen Kelly said:

Elaborate, what policies supported or brought forward by AOC will hurt people?

Be specific. 

Patience. 

[captainamerica]

Am thinking that someone should start a new religion for those tired of all the BS. 

[captainamerica]

1 minute ago, captainamerica said:

Am thinking that someone should start a new religion for those tired of all the BS. 

political wing, not religion

[DocWatts]

I'm somewhere between a Social Democrat and Market Socialist myself and broadly agree with the Progressive worldview espoused by TYT, but as a news source they're not great.

Their news coverage trends towards the same types of sensationalism seen in other for Profit news networks, and they're not very good at framing other worldviews and perspectives in constructive ways.

Compare TYT to (what I at least consider) a high quality news source, The Conversation, and the difference is notable between the two in being able to synthesize different viewpoints in a complex way.

That said, I think Cenk and Anna and the other TYT people mean well, and in Cenk's case his most valuable public contribution is Wolf PAC, which is working towards a constitutional amendment to push back against the corrupting influence of Corporations in electoral politics.

Edited November 12, 2021 by DocWatts

[Harlen Kelly]

@captainamerica I am still waiting, you basically made a groundless assertion with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, what is the need for non-sensical utterances?

Edited November 12, 2021 by Harlen Kelly

[captainamerica]

On 12/11/2021 at 7:39 PM, Harlen Kelly said:

@captainamerica I am still waiting, you basically made a groundless assertion with no evidence whatsoever to back it up, what is the need for non-sensical utterances?

I don't owe you anything.

Not sure why you always talk like this to almost everyone on the forum. But if you are looking to "master/integrate stage red of your being" then please note that barking does not make one into a Lion. That is a wrong approach.

Edited November 14, 2021 by captainamerica

[captainamerica]

On 12/11/2021 at 0:32 PM, captainamerica said:

That is what I expected as well.  

Will update ya. 

@Opo Currently in the middle of launching a new service. Will update in a couple or so days as promised. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by captainamerica

[Hardkill]

On 11/11/2021 at 7:54 PM, Leo Gura said:

All of progressivism is unpragmatic. That's sorta the point.

If progressivism was pragmatic it would be centrism and status quo. Status quo is what is most pragmatic at any given point.

Considering how progressives get very little to none of the things they want done do you think that all of these progressives in Congress have been useless?

Btw, I know you said before that conservativism is about keeping the status quo, but centrism is also all about the status quo. Isn't there supposed to be a difference between those two political ideologies?

Edited November 14, 2021 by Hardkill

[Johnny Galt]

On 2021-11-12 at 5:48 AM, captainamerica said:

political wing, not religion

@captainamerica Now you're talking, and yet I'd expect no less from a Captain

With that said though, I think we need to think bigger then a party, we need a whole new paradigm, a whole new vision. 

Instead of voting for a leader and their party, we should be voting for a leader AND the team.

As one does with their own company and organization, we would hire/vote for the most qualified people. This would create a situation where those who are corrupted and with too much conflict of interest, they could be filtered out. 

 

[Harlen Kelly]

@captainamerica You made an asinine assertion, said you were going to be more specific and now you are deflecting. 

How does that make any sense. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Harlen Kelly