Is movement purely imaginary?

[Holygrail]

since there's really only the present moment which makes movement something that you're technically imagining right?

 

 

[Tyler Durden]

You are always here and now. Nowhere else to go.

[Shin]

Relatively speaking movement is something real, ultimately, from the biggest perspective possible everything is imagined.

Every sensations, concepts, thoughts, objects, molecules, other dimensions, past lives, dreams, reality, and everything you could think of and you can't think of is imagined by God.

God is everything and it is you, me, Hitler, the pope, my dick, your dick, your mom, the floor, the wall, the air, the keyboard you're using, and even the ego you think you are (which in a technical sense is true, but not absolutely true cause it's only a fragment of God).

[Username]

If you go deep enough there is only one pair of distinction without any meaning that want to merge into one. One can't exist without another.

Reality is made of infinite number of meaningless distinctions. Because something exist you have a reference point. You can name things: black, salty, loud, long, ugly, brittle etc. Difference between distance and smell is imaginary.

[BipolarGrowth]

Your present moment is at least 3-5 seconds. Just investigate that and see if it holds up or not. 

[The0Self]

Movement is just what seems to be. It's not separate from stillness. The only constant is nothing, which is everything constantly changing.

[Holygrail]

4 hours ago, The0Self said:

Movement is just what seems to be. It's not separate from stillness. The only constant is nothing, which is everything constantly changing.

that honestly seems to make the most sense. its just consciousness aware of differences

Edited November 11, 2021 by Holygrail

[Holygrail]

4 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Your present moment is at least 3-5 seconds. Just investigate that and see if it holds up or not. 

i see what youre saying, appears to be accurate.

[The0Self]

5 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Your present moment is at least 3-5 seconds. Just investigate that and see if it holds up or not. 

In that sense though, there is no present moment -- it's empty. There's only stillness moving, so to speak. Big-NOW, not little-now. 

NOW = the unmoving that moves and has no other = all there is.

[BipolarGrowth]

On 11/11/2021 at 4:47 PM, The0Self said:

In that sense though, there is no present moment -- it's empty. There's only stillness moving, so to speak. Big-NOW, not little-now. 

NOW = the unmoving that moves and has no other = all there is.

Yeah it’s empty. Fine enough perception can get you to the point of being in one collapsed instant where perception is occurring before things even arise from my experience. Really trippy. The content is always moving, and the present moment is just more content. It’s not a solid ground or container separate from content. 

[Ry4n]

Yes, you could say movement is a form within stillness, and time is also a form that allows for movement. The stillness is like the stage setter for the play of life, all things change within it but the stillness stays the same and is the only real ground you have. At least for me this stuff is actually the most grounding thing there is. 

[Holygrail]

13 minutes ago, Ry4n said:

Yes, you could say movement is a form within stillness, and time is also a form that allows for movement. The stillness is like the stage setter for the play of life, all things change within it but the stillness stays the same and is the only real ground you have. At least for me this stuff is actually the most grounding thing there is. 

its like there's no movement within the present moment without mind, and then there is movement within mind, being both.

[Arcangelo]

According to Bashar, yes.

[gettoefl]

to get still is to stop time

time is the illusion that change exists

the change you think exists is ... god's next trick if you will or god's next frame of the dream

try it, that's what meditation is
 

Edited November 13, 2021 by gettoefl

[mandyjw]

Movement requires a still point for reference, so it is dualistic. It only exists within thought.

When I run, my body doesn't move from my perspective, I'm in it. It is moving, but it also doesn't move, I don't distance myself from my body by moving it, my limbs move. The surroundings seem to move. There seems to be a separation between my body and the outside environment which movement seems to confirm. Am I moving, or is the environment moving as if I was in a virtual reality? I can flip this perspective back and forth as I will because it's a thought. 

Magic, huh? 

[Holygrail]

5 hours ago, mandyjw said:

Movement requires a still point for reference, so it is dualistic. It only exists within thought.

When I run, my body doesn't move from my perspective, I'm in it. It is moving, but it also doesn't move, I don't distance myself from my body by moving it, my limbs move. The surroundings seem to move. There seems to be a separation between my body and the outside environment which movement seems to confirm. Am I moving, or is the environment moving as if I was in a virtual reality? I can flip this perspective back and forth as I will because it's a thought. 

Magic, huh? 

 Yes

[Moksha]

Be the changeless imagining change 

When the wise realize the Self,
Formless in the midst of forms, changeless
In the midst of change, omnipresent
And supreme, they go beyond sorrow.