What are your thoughts on prostitutes?

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, ivankiss said:

I'm thinking very selfishly here. What's right or wrong for me, only.

The prostitute's point of view, is a whole other topic. A different story. Not really my business. I also don't really give a fuck about what society thinks about this.

I'm just not sure if I should satisfy the urge, or transcend it. I see value in both sides.

What makes you think that there is such a thing as something that's right only for you? 

I have seen escorts a few times personally and I now regret it. It's great in the moment sure and it will give you that easy dopamine and release that you are looking for, short-term. Fundamentally though it is a pervasion of the relationship between men and women and it will hurt you to go through with it.

This is coming from a non-PC/feminist/empathy perspective, don't think that's what I'm arguing for here. I'm telling you this as a pure hard fact. If you do this you will be hurting yourself, I 100% promise you.

But do it if you want to, there are no rules in this life. Just my $0.02.

[PurpleTree]

Is it better to have sex with a high level prostitute than no sex at all? Imo yes it is

Is it better to have sex with an interesting escort than with a woman who doesn't interest you physically and mentally, maybe even lying to said woman and acting very interested just to get a nut off? Not sure about that, in some ways yes in some ways no. Probably yes

Is it better to have sex in a loving relationship than with a high level escort? Yes imo absolutely

[tsuki]

Dude, why the hell do you ask us what's right or wrong for you? How would we know?

Just toss the damn coin and be over it. Or better, masturbate and see if the question is still relevant.

Conventional wisdom says: stay away from prostitution. Given your sex drive, treating a woman like a slot machine to get high is a bad idea. Very bad idea.

As for the non-conventional stuff, which way feels better? If you can't decide, flip the coin ad feel whether you are disappointed or not.

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, tsuki said:

masturbate and see if the question is still relevant.

The answer to lifes questions right here.

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Rilles said:

The answer to lifes questions right here.

not for no fappers it aint

[Lyubov]

I was really close to going through with sleeping with an escort once. I chickened out. She was really hot, independent and doing her own thing. It can be beneficial for you but also consider the ethics behind it. It can be hard to really know if you are contributing to a toxic cycle or receiving sex from an independent woman. I like the idea cause it turns me on but I can't bring myself to go through with it. Maybe if I was in your situation I might. Is there any way you can put yourself out there? Just muster up a little bit of will to get a date? 

[Random witch]

Go masturbate. It's the best solution, forget about prostitutes, they already have a miserable life and your dick won't make it better.

This is what I do, as a woman, I don't have the option of sexy hot male prostitutes who good at bed, as you have. Even if I had I wouldn't go for it because I'm aware to the emotional, mental and spiritual price of such a work.

when I have no opportunity for a good sex with a man who knows where the clitoris is and I don't have to explain him everything, I have only my fingers and my imagination. It's free, it's simple, it cause no harm to no one.

 

Edited November 9, 2021 by Random witch

[Preety_India]

I'll never date a man who has been to a prostitute. 

In fact any man who approached me before in my life, I always asked this as the first question in the very first week of conversation, "have you ever been to a prostitute before?" and if the answer is "yes" then I simply drop all contact right away. If the answer is "no" then I'm relaxed. 

That thing doesn't exist in my periphery. If I were a man I would never go to a prostitute no matter what, it's a question of personal Morality and integrity. ( no offense to prostitutes though, they're okay, it's people who go to them don't look okay to me for some reason). 

I'm strict to my code of principles. To my foundation of morals. To me its not about showing that I'm good or bad, but sticking to what feels right in my heart and head. 

I'm not born in a religious family but this is just a question of sexual Morality or ethics for me. I can live a virgin all my life but I won't do what I decide not to. 

I have only dated men who had serious relationships in their dating history. Now if they were lying then it's a different thing and I will have no way to know that. But since they have told me that's the truth, I have taken it to be the truth. 

My fundamental sexual values means I'll never engage in casual sex, I will engage in sex only and only if  I have an emotional connection and if I call the guy my boyfriend,only then. Similarly I will never take the services of male prostitutes. I remember a stranger  telling me that he wanted to give me a massage or something along the lines that was a code word for sexual services and I immediately declined. 

Similarly I will never date a man who has engaged in either casual sex or been to a prostitute or hired someone's sexual services. It doesn't fit as "decent" in my head. 

I know that people have different moral structures and scales and I don't judge them but I stick to my own system of values. 

 

 

 

[Chives99]

30 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I'll never date a man who has been to a prostitute. 

In fact any man who approached me before in my life, I always asked this as the first question in the very first week of conversation, "have you ever been to a prostitute before?" and if the answer is "yes" then I simply drop all contact right away. If the answer is "no" then I'm relaxed. 

That thing doesn't exist in my periphery. If I were a man I would never go to a prostitute no matter what, it's a question of personal Morality and integrity. ( no offense to prostitutes though, they're okay, it's people who go to them don't look okay to me for some reason). 

I'm strict to my code of principles. To my foundation of morals. To me its not about showing that I'm good or bad, but sticking to what feels right in my heart and head. 

I'm not born in a religious family but this is just a question of sexual Morality or ethics for me. I can live a virgin all my life but I won't do what I decide not to. 

I have only dated men who had serious relationships in their dating history. Now if they were lying then it's a different thing and I will have no way to know that. But since they have told me that's the truth, I have taken it to be the truth. 

My fundamental sexual values means I'll never engage in casual sex, I will engage in sex only and only if  I have an emotional connection and if I call the guy my boyfriend,only then. Similarly I will never take the services of male prostitutes. I remember a stranger  telling me that he wanted to give me a massage or something along the lines that was a code word for sexual services and I immediately declined. 

Similarly I will never date a man who has engaged in either casual sex or been to a prostitute or hired someone's sexual services. It doesn't fit as "decent" in my head. 

I know that people have different moral structures and scales and I don't judge them but I stick to my own system of values. 

 

 

 

I'll think you'll find most people lie about their sexual past. Men dont want to seem inexperienced/ undesireable and women dont want to look like the village bicycle 

[Preety_India]

10 minutes ago, Chives99 said:

I'll think you'll find most people lie about their sexual past. Men dont want to seem inexperienced/ undesireable and women dont want to look like the village bicycle 

Not everyone is a liar 

Plus I'm good at spotting when a man is being shady. 

Learned that early on. 

 

[kamwalker]

Eh I'd say just suck it up and get through whatever state of mind you're in. If it's as temporary as you say it is then what's the big deal with waiting a bit more? You mentioned you don't think it's an addiction because of the number of women, but you've obviously created some sort of dependency on it. If your need for sex is that powerful maybe it makes sense to take a break and recalibrate a bit. Go back to it once you have a better understanding of its control on your state of being. 

[ivankiss]

Did not do it. And I will not, in this phase. Most likely. But if I do, I won't judge the living crap out of myself or the hooker for doing it. Lol. I'm always surprised how low quality this side of the forum is. It's like a war zone haha.

It's best to stay out of these debates.

You guys all have your reasons for seeing things the way you do, and that's cool, but it has nothing to do with me and my ways. You simply cannot see or understand where I'm coming from, why I do or don't do things, etc. And I don't really feel like explaining myself too much. It's exhausting.

I wasn't really looking for an answer, a yes or no. I just needed to get these thoughts out there, out of my head.

Appreciate your input, stay sexy.

[cookiemonster]

Prostitution is very stage yellow.

If you feel that you are of sufficient spiritual maturity then go for it. But if you're not quite there yet then you may feel that something is missing.

One of the greatest mistakes an individual can make is to think of "intimacy" as something sacred when in actuality it is just another neurochemical, no different from sex itself. It is of the flesh, not the spirit, and this is also true of fidelity and romantic-love.

Intimacy is something to be transcended.

Prostitution is a beautiful thing, because what it demonstrates is truth. Pure transactional beauty. No distortion. No deception. No bullshit.

In Ancient times, prostitution was standard practice and considered sacred. Sadly, the Abrahamic religions came along and screwed everything up.

One day, we will get back to that level of spiritual maturity.

[Random witch]

5 minutes ago, cookiemonster said:

Prostitution is very stage yellow.

If you feel that you are of sufficient spiritual maturity then go for it. But if you're not quite there yet then you may feel that something is missing.

One of the greatest mistakes an individual can make is to think of "intimacy" as something sacred when in actuality it is just another neurochemical, no different from sex itself. It is of the flesh, not the spirit, and this is also true of fidelity and romantic-love.

Intimacy is something to be transcended.

Prostitution is a beautiful thing, because what it demonstrates is truth. Pure transactional beauty. No distortion. No deception. No bullshit.

In Ancient times, prostitution was standard practice and considered sacred. Sadly, the Abrahamic religions came along and screwed everything up.

One day, we will get back to that level of spiritual maturity.

Prostitution is defenetly red, very strong red, low conscious practice.

Exactly like slavery.

Some complain about the modern slavery, the rat race, being the boss' slave at some 9-5 job but talk about how wonderful prostitution is, are blind and deluded. If not deluded then hypocrites.

Prostitution is a very non-holistic solution for the problem of the crack between women and men.

It looks like men look for the short term solution to get their needs for intimacy and sex by hiring a prostitute instead of integrate within themselves the healthy femininity and find a healthy way to connect with women.

[Random witch]

1 hour ago, ivankiss said:

Did not do it. And I will not, in this phase. Most likely. But if I do, I won't judge the living crap out of myself or the hooker for doing it. Lol. I'm always surprised how low quality this side of the forum is. It's like a war zone haha.

It's best to stay out of these debates.

You guys all have your reasons for seeing things the way you do, and that's cool, but it has nothing to do with me and my ways. You simply cannot see or understand where I'm coming from, why I do or don't do things, etc. And I don't really feel like explaining myself too much. It's exhausting.

I wasn't really looking for an answer, a yes or no. I just needed to get these thoughts out there, out of my head.

Appreciate your input, stay sexy.

 If you're so successful with women why even consider an escort?

They have to be already on your dick, so where all those 30 women? Ah?

It's not people who don't understand you, it's you who is the asshole here, who doesn't want to admit he is the asshole.

You want sex? Be a man and take actions, don't look for easy shortcuts like some toxic man.

Women are not just bodies, they are human beings, the escort is a human being whether you accept it or not.

She has emotions, dreams and conscious as much as you, you are not better than they her, you're even worse.

You're lazy to get sex in the casual way? It's your problem, no one have to tolerate your dick. Women own you nothing. You're entitled to nothing.

 

[Adodd]

 

 

11 hours ago, Salvijus said:

To be stupid or not to be stupid. Very difficult choice indeed. Lol

Elaborate? Why is what he is asking stupid?

[PurpleTree]

5 hours ago, Random witch said:

Prostitution is defenetly red, very strong red, low conscious practice.

Exactly like slavery.

Some complain about the modern slavery, the rat race, being the boss' slave at some 9-5 job but talk about how wonderful prostitution is, are blind and deluded. If not deluded then hypocrites.

Prostitution is a very non-holistic solution for the problem of the crack between women and men.

It looks like men look for the short term solution to get their needs for intimacy and sex by hiring a prostitute instead of integrate within themselves the healthy femininity and find a healthy way to connect with women.

so what should someone do who has such a strong social anxiety that they can't approach women?

die as a virgin?

[cookiemonster]

I mean... if you're coming from a society where prostitution is culturally frowned upon, then it's to be expected that outdated perspectives will frame your moral worldview. That's not necessarily the case in places such as Europe and Australia.

Prostitution as a concept does not imply slavery, exploitation, trauma, degeneration, low-consciousness or immorality. Such things are merely the symptoms of a primitive society's toxic relationship with prostitution (and modern sexuality), to the extent that it struggles with a kind of selfish guilt over its animalistic tendencies, typically by shutting it down, outlawing it, and ultimately shaming both service provider and client. The same kind of thing can be seen with homophobia and the demonization of alternative sexualities. Mind-blowing that even today, in some places of the world you can be put to death for such things.

For those that really understand it, sex and sexuality is basically trivial and silly; even a little bit annoying. Spiritually speaking it is childish, like Legos and ice cream. And yet if you were to ask a child how they felt about Legos and ice cream, they might say that it is the most important thing in the world.

In truth, paying for sex is really no different than paying a dentist, paying a doctor, or going to the gym.

I have paid for sex, and have been paid for sex. Many of my friends are dominatrixes, and the idea that such women are somehow "victims" is frankly absurd - women who's IQ is in the 130-140 range, and who can easily make in the region of half a million dollars a year. And this speaks nothing of the artistry, the creativity and the freedom of expression that such pursuits can bring.

This also says nothing of the understanding that, generally speaking, classically heterosexual men are biological fucking machines. Their primary directive is to fuck everything that moves. They are not designed to fuck the same person more than a couple of times. The dopamine system is pretty clear on this. The most efficient way that this can be incorporated into a modern system is via the normalization of prostitution, and frankly, it is only a matter of time before this becomes the standard.

The problem is that classic female heterosexuality has erroneously elevated intimacy and fidelity to a position where it does not belong. It is the idea that romance and exclusive relationships are somehow fundamentally sacred, when in reality, they are just as neurochemically animalistic as intercourse itself.

Or in other words, Animal Mode sees monkey love as a step forward, whereas Angel Mode sees it as a step back.

There is a reason why Jesus and the Buddha were not family orientated people. Ultimately, family is something to be transcended. The idea of "loved ones" and the sentence "these are the ones I love" implies by relative definition that there must also exist "ones that you don't love", which is something that might make sense from the Animal perspective, but makes no sense from the Angel perspective. For me, if I had to choose between saving the life of my own mother and saving the life of some random homeless stranger, then I'd literally flip a coin. I wouldn't even think twice about it.

The first priority should always be to the entire collective, without preference and without exclusivity. And if you get that part right, everything else is merely art and recreation. Legos and ice cream and nothing more.

So yes, not only is prostitution very Stage Yellow, it is also the inevitable future of our shared reality... whether you realize it or not.

[Surfingthewave]

The question you should be asking yourself isn't whether to get a prostitute, it's why do you want one. 

Go deep with this one (excuse the pun). You may find it revelatory. 

[diamondpenguin]

@Preety_India your pretty good at reading people aren't yuh?