Stage Orange Psychopolitics

[soos_mite_ah]

 

Thought this video was interesting and was wondering what yall's thoughts are

[soos_mite_ah]

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[supremeyingyang]

4 hours ago, BenG said:

Ha! "Imagine not doing anything fun, or going anywhere for the next 8 years. Including Saturday and Sunday!" lol. I guess do you, bro

say work is fun to me.... haha

 

@soos_mite_ah

it is a little hypnotic, isn't it?

[MuadDib]

I'll throw out some random ideas that might be useful or thought-provoking.

I don't think hustle culture is an ideology specifically used to control the masses in any nefarious sense. Controlling the cognitive map of the population is in the best interests of those in power of course, but 'hustling' in and of itself is a fundamental survival function.

Everything in nature needs to strike a balance between energy consumed vs energy expended while increasing entropy.

Think of highly organized species like ants or bees where each individual produces more value for the colony/hive than they consume. It's advantageous to their survival (both individually and collectively) because the net production of wealth across all the individuals is much higher than if each of them fended for themselves. This is the fundamental principle of the economics of scale.

If we magnified this concept out to human beings we could say that having organizing ideologies is necessary for us to function as a somewhat unitary whole where each individual is producing more value to the group than they consume, but that being a positive thing overall as the net pool of value for all humans to draw from is larger.

The fundamental issue is the distribution of that wealth. As stated earlier, there is a balance between energy consumed and energy expended that everyone is trying to strike. As individuals gain power and resources, it becomes easier for them to continue to do so. There have to be systemic checks and balances in place to prevent that from happening to any egregious degree. Even if there are systemic checks and balances in place, they will often work to have them removed. This generally happens quite gradually. It reminds me of this old video I watched aaaages ago when I was going through my doomer phase.

The parts on the lifecycles of empires and things like wealth redistribution through fiat currencies are most relevant from memory. It also reminds me of that movie "In Time" where they played with the idea of time as the fundamental currency in a world where everyone lives forever, of course it's ultimately a fantasy that we could all live in a Eutopia-like that. Also, Justin Timberlake can act!? Wait, do you even know who Justin Timberlake is?, lol.

No organism has ever been born onto Earth and had its fundamental survival needs given to it as a fundamental right. Think about the profundity of that. I'm not saying it couldn't be done and if it could be done I would be interested to see what would come of it. My intuition is that people would fundamentally become lazier and less productive overall (try to expend as little energy as possible)and this would impact the economy of scale to the point where the cost of living would naturally increase anyway (chicken sandwiches become more expensive) and people would have to start hustling again to make ends meet. I'm open to being wrong though. I do vaguely recall a TED talk or something I watched a long time ago where there was a basic income given to a small town in Canada with positive results? I'm not sure how well this would scale, but it's interesting. I might watch it again.
 

This old CGP grey video also comes to mind I think the second rule is fundamentally about the importance of productivity on a collective level in democracies. Rulers need to manage the treasure, in democracies, the treasure is fundamentally the productivity of its citizens, things that improve productivity also improve the quality of life of citizens. Anything that makes productivity suffer also makes citizens and rulers suffer; leading to dictatorships where the rules are fundamentally the same but life is much shitter for everyone.

 

 

Of course, spiral dynamics come into play and the self-organizing culture that emerges in this environment is what we would call stage orange with its virtues and vices. To move beyond it, it has to be transcended AND included, meaning aspects of hustle culture will always be with us as we evolve. To what degree, and which aspects? ... I'm not too sure what that would look like on a global scale.

There is another issue that comes to mind which is one of leadership or managing people that work under you, say in a company or business context. As a boss, you generally have to work harder than everyone else to set the tone. If you show up later than everyone, put in less effort, than average and take home more pay than the people under you … it's only a matter of time before your business crumbles. Humans are value-seeking machines and are acutely aware of when their energy expenditure isn't matching their energy return relative to others.

By extension, you will see leaders of successful organizations touting 'hard work' and the hustle culture and actively doing living it, because they NEED to for their businesses to survive. It reminds me of this clip I saw in the stage orange section, which was criticized for being illogical with regards to productivity.

Of course, productivity doesn't scale linearly on an individual level, but in this instance, Elon is talking about productivity as a function of a company where it absolutely does scale non-linearly for the leader to work longer and harder as his math accurately represents in his numbers here.

I think he has stated many many times that he doesn't recommend his lifestyle but that he lives it out of necessity. 

 

 

One of the issues with a gig economy is that we have become separated to such an extent that this becomes difficult to do. We're only meant to track the status and social milieu of about 150 people, not billions, so of course, it has become easier for wealth inequalities to emerge.

Edited November 12, 2021 by MuadDib

[Preety_India]

14 minutes ago, MuadDib said:

There is another issue that comes to mind which is one of leadership or managing people that work under you, say in a company or business context. As a boss, you generally have to work harder than everyone else to set the tone. If you show up later than everyone, put in less effort, than average and take home more pay than the people under you … it's only a matter of time before your business crumbles. Humans are value-seeking machines and are acutely aware of when their energy expenditure isn't matching their energy return relative to others.

This is a fundamental stage orange philosophy not saying that it's wrong but different perspectives can exist as well, we can have stage Green leadership where how much value is being contributed is not always used as a test but the overall welfare of people is simply dependent on how they choose to maximise their own value without it being compared to the value provided by others. This of course needs a high consciousness thinking on the part of the individuals involved who are trying to be cooperative rather than competitive.