How to handle psychogenic stomach pain

[Vrubel]

For almost a year I have had stomach/intestinal pains and a generally sensitive stomach which before I never had.  I did all the tests at the hospital, including SIBO but nothing was found. I've noticed that my stomach pains are often accompanied by grumpiness, stress, and just a shitty mood. 

I used to think that these mood problems are caused by my physical pains and that I just need to focus on eating the right food. But I could not logically deduct which foods caused the problems. Sometimes I ate one thing and feel shitty but then I eat the exact same thing end feel absolutely fine. 

But then I noticed a link between "successes and failures" in my personal life with the amount of pain I had. Whenever things are going good in my personal life I am also feeling good without big stomach issues but whenever I get "setbacks" my stomach pains return. I consider myself mentally relatively strong so the setbacks that I have in my personal life wouldn't bother me so much normally but the stomach pain that comes with it adds another layer on top. 

Are there people here that have experienced these kinds of issues? 

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by Vrubel

[Michael569]

It could be that your gut sensitivity has nothing to do with the mechanical pathophysiology of the gastrointestinal system and is linked to psychosomatic factors especially since the tests haven't found anything. 

It is fairly common for gut sensitivities and issues to be driven by psychosomatic factors, self-perceived physiological stress being the most common. It doesn't have the be a huge stress like when your survival is being threatened. It can be less obvious low-grade chronic stress (often unconscious) caused by mental tension, long-term uncertainty, suppressed emotions, unresolved shadow etc. There is a theory called limbic kindling theory which basically suggests that chronic exposure to the very low-grade stressor may cause depletion and exhaustion of particular coping mechanisms, this is one of the mechanisms proposed for chronic fatigue syndrome but also variety of gut symptoms.  When this happens, the organism becomes extra sensitive to any stimulus. This could result in an extremely sensitive gut, more pain, more cramps and eventually lead to the development of real symptoms such as diarrhoea, constipation, stomach cramps even turn into chronic food sensitivities and intolerances as the mechanical barrier of the intestines becomes disrupted. 

Mind you this is more of a speculative theory that something really validated but it makes a lot of sense. Not sure if that sounds like a valid hypothesis of what is probably going on? 

So it may come down to identifying the source of that tension/stress and dealing with it. Some gut support could help as well but it seems to me like the real issue needs to be resolved through some deeper spiritual work. I'd defer to members who are more versed and experienced in this and who also offer guided support @flume @Nahm maybe you could work with one of them to help you.

 

 

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

All stomach & digestion issues are created by indigestible (discordant) thoughts & beliefs. People label the momentum of dis ease as disease, as if an outside force exists and is acting upon them, basically pretending something is wrong without recognizing the truth of the situation. This can easily be cleared up in one session, but can’t really be properly addressed in text or obviously I would. Link’s below if interested. Can only imagine how this could be taken or received, and any ‘but not mine’s’ which might arise, but, it’s true and to understand requires an actual conversation. 

[charlie cho]

@Vrubel I had CPPS. Chronic Pelvic Pain.

This syndrome is so bad people who have this want to all kill themselves, search it up.

Anyways. This is similar to what you have written about with your syndrome.

What cured me from this "chronic" syndrome was indeed curing it from the inside.

Basically, it was attachment. An attachment to win, succeed, or not fail. To realize a dream or an idea which struggles to currently be realized in the real world right now. This dreadful struggle was what caused the pain. 

Once I let go for the need for success, or to realize what I had in mind, I gradually cured my physical pain because it was basically muscle twitching and straining that was the cause of my pain. 

Same with your stomach pain, i feel like. We have no idea, western medicine really underestimates how psycho somatic human beings are. They talk as if the mind originates 20% of physical illnesses. The reality is like 85% of illnesses are caused by the mind. They won't tell us this, because they're ignorant. If we are aware of this, the cure will begin. 

[Vrubel]

9 hours ago, Michael569 said:

 There is a theory called limbic kindling theory which basically suggests that chronic exposure to the very low-grade stressor may cause depletion and exhaustion of particular coping mechanisms.

This! My normal coping mechanisms don't hold up anymore.

 

9 hours ago, Michael569 said:

So it may come down to identifying the source of that tension/stress and dealing with it. Some gut support could help as well but it seems to me like the real issue needs to be resolved through some deeper spiritual work.

I definitely know the source and what I should 'let go'. 

 

5 hours ago, Nahm said:

All stomach & digestion issues are created by indigestible (discordant) thoughts & beliefs. People label the momentum of dis ease as disease, as if an outside force exists and is acting upon them, basically pretending something is wrong without recognizing the truth of the situation. This can easily be cleared up in one session, but can’t really be properly addressed in text or obviously I would. Link’s below if interested. Can only imagine how this could be taken or received, and any ‘but not mine’s’ which might arise, but, it’s true and to understand requires an actual conversation. 

Very interesting. I checked out your website and youtube channel, very interesting stuff. I must say I was a bit surprised to find out you're a man, haha, I always pick up very feminine energy from your responses (caring, loving, soft and slightly vague). (; 

 

4 hours ago, charlie cho said:

What cured me from this "chronic" syndrome was indeed curing it from the inside.

Basically, it was attachment. An attachment to win, succeed, or not fail. To realize a dream or an idea which struggles to currently be realized in the real world right now. This dreadful struggle was what caused the pain. 

Once I let go for the need for success, or to realize what I had in mind, I gradually cured my physical pain because it was basically muscle twitching and straining that was the cause of my pain. 

This! This! This! 

Edited October 29, 2021 by Vrubel

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

Well don’t be pickin it up too much brother.    and thanks. And maybe those are masculine traits. Idk. 

Seriously though, I think the word you’re lookin for is transmutation. Which is experienced via expression. 

[charlie cho]

@Vrubel I would also add, even for me

I wouldn't exactly say the 'failure' was the cause of my illness. 'failure' had only accentuated and brung open the fact of how attached to the dream I was. Any attachment too tight will eventually bring failure in the end. The conclusion here is the real cause lies in the attachment to the dream, not the failure to the dream.

Well, how can we let go of attachment? That is a whole story for another day. There are various schools for getting this technique down (and very few that successfully does this) but I've found my own meditation style, and it worked well for me to let go of thoughts, emotions, and attachments.

I guess for you, the popular ones that teach letting go would be from David R. Hawkins, or learn from Julien Blanc about letting go, IDK. It's hard to find out. All in all, we cannot rely on a technique for us to let go of an attachment. It's not something that can be solved through techniques or the mind. Any effort or cunning that is exerted into letting go is in itself an attempt to delude oneself to not let go even further. Letting go has to come from the heart. Truly, with genuine care to discard whatever dream, attachment we have. 

You need not confuse "what is letting go from the heart?" It's as simple as our hearts wanting to take out the trash into the recycle bin outside our apartments. We don't need to think about it. Our body automatically, takes out the trash, goes outside, and puts it in the bin. Same, take out our attachments, go outside, and put it outside our system. 

Then, I feel the real physical cure begins. 

Edited October 29, 2021 by charlie cho