Is Last Thursdayism actually really close to the truth?

[Tyler Durden]

Even though Last Thursdayism started as a joke to ridicule the young-Earth creationist idea that the world was created 6,000 years ago with the appearance of being made billions of years ago, it seems that it's actually closer to the truth than the mainstream The Big Bang Theory which states that universe is around 14 billion years old.

If past is an in illusion, then it's not logical that it took any time at all to get to the present moment. Having that in mind, Last Thurdayism seems like an only plausible theory about the origin of the universe. Only slight adjustment needs to be done about the time of creation being "now" instead of the "last thursday" but everything else is correct.

What's your opinion on all of this?

[WokeBloke]

This is the last time I will post this on this forum. Your past is not an illusion. It influences your entire life.

Edited October 23, 2021 by WokeBloke

[Inception]

Did you actually reply to my post, or is that just a memory…

Did you actually make this post, or is that just a memory…

Did you actually read this, or is that just a memory…

[Tyler Durden]

12 hours ago, WokeBloke said:

This is the last time I will post this on this forum. Your past is not an illusion. It influences your entire life.

From my perspective, everything seems to be happening in the present moment. Past is just a memory occuring in the now. There is no real supstance to it.

12 hours ago, Inception said:

Did you actually reply to my post, or is that just a memory…

Did you actually make this post, or is that just a memory…

Did you actually read this, or is that just a memory…

Everything you mentioned here is a memory and that means it's beeing imagined by me just now.

[Nahm]

Knowing evolution is believing thoughts. Last Thursday ism is another thought, a potential belief, but the good feeling is of the no longer believing, the not knowing of, the first belief, which was evolution. Likewise, last Thursday ism feels great to let go of as well. It really is quite simple, the difference between a belief and the truth, is one’s a belief and not the truth. It is because truth is no catch infinite goodness, that letting beliefs go feels so good. 

[snowyowl]

4 hours ago, Nahm said:

the difference between a belief and the truth, is one’s a belief and not the truth. It is because truth is no catch infinite goodness, that letting beliefs go feels so good. 

which is a belief? (2nd iteration)

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which is a belief? (2nd iteration)

which is a belief? (3rd iteration)

WHACK goes the Zen stick ... snap out of it snowyowl  

Ok, reboot. 

Saying the Now is all that exists is true, and a truism, because 'exists' is in the present tense, so this simply collapses into saying that the present moment is the present moment. A better question is (imo), did the past exist, is that a meaningful question? Did the Roman empire exist in the past, or are we creating it from nothing? 

If so, there's no evidence of the Romans because all evidence is in the present, so Romans are as "real" as Europeans, Americans, or anyone else.

If so, there's no creation either, because creation involves a process of change in time. Reality changing from one state to another. Whether it's God creating the world 4000 years ago, or the big bang billions of years ago, or me painting a picture this afternoon. Creation means change means time, means Now is a dimension, not a point. 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by snowyowl

[Nahm]

@snowyowl

Now, present moment, true, truism, change, time, and dimensions are abstractions… thoughts which only seem to point via what they don’t mean or are not, yet don’t point to any actual thing or experience at all. Likewise, anyone else. That creation involves a process of change in time is a thought, also without any actuality, or any thing one could point to. It’s conceptual only. There are states though, and I recommend checking out Georgia. Careful going into any southern most cities, but definitely, if feasible, stay in the cabins in the mountains there. It’s breathtaking. Watch out for those other states though, as they are justifications & rationalizations of a conditioned finite mind. Your beliefs are more than enough work. Notice your entire theory is contingent upon conjecture being true. 

 

 

[snowyowl]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

is a thought, also without any actuality, or any thing one could point to. It’s conceptual only. 

I get it, I’m using thought to try and see actuality. Although my left hand could point at my right hand while it's painting. But then I'd be left with the impression (thoughts in memory)  of two time-bound processes, pointing and painting. 

While I'm at it, isn't pointing also a conceptual thought? I mean, when I look at my hand, it's just a hand. "Pointing" is thought taking the line of the actual finger and extrapolating beyond the finger, extending it further in imagination, from here to over there. How can that thought process be a test of what's actual? 

Perhaps if we relax and stop all this doing, we notice the actual, (being).

Edited October 24, 2021 by snowyowl

[Nahm]

34 minutes ago, snowyowl said:

Perhaps if we relax and stop all this doing, we notice the actual, (being).

Yep. And I’d add it’s more noticing there isn’t doing, then stopping doing. 

36 minutes ago, snowyowl said:

How can that thought process be a test of what's actual? 

It’s not a test of what is actual. It puts what is being believed to be actual to the test, and reveals what is not actual.

[LastThursday]

It's true!!

Ok, not strictly. The past is not what you think, it exists but it is completly concertinaed into the now (there's no time), only our imaginations reinflate it.

[Tyler Durden]

36 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

It's true!!

Ok, not strictly. The past is not what you think, it exists but it is completly concertinaed into the now (there's no time), only our imaginations reinflate it.

Can we then say that it didn't actually take billions of years to get to this present moment? We imagine past events to give it a backup story.

[snowyowl]

@Nahm many thanks, I wrote a reply last night but lost it before posting. No time left now. 

[LastThursday]

The thing is you can't have your cake and eat it. What is a billion years? It's something in the past and therefore in our imaginations. The past leaves clues and scraps of information about itself in the present, and we conjure up the rest of the story. For example we see the Colosseum in Rome and read about it in Latin and we imagine gladiators and make films about it.