(state vs stage) Leo, how much time you spend in 'god's mode' vs 'surviving'

[Dima]

hi Leo,

thanks for what you do, appreciate it.

You mentioned your sensitivity to psychedelics caused by genetics etc (just an example, there are many other examples of your interaction with 'objective reality' that contradicts god's realization states). It sounded as truthful as talking about imaginary birth etc. and there are both true (just by being parts of a 'whole').

So my question is how much you think you've embodied to your sober stage of what you'd realized under 'catalyzed' states? How much of god's realization has penetrated your 'mundane' reality?

thank you

Edited October 11, 2021 by Dima

[Leo Gura]

How can such a thing be quantified?

Not even close to what I could.

[Dima]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

How can such a thing be quantified?

Not even close to what I could.

i understand that comparing to infinity doesn't make much sense.. but I am not expecting exact numbers. Let's say what is your idea on how much you love people in a sober state now compared to your love, let's say 5 years ago? And how much psychedelics experience helped with it?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Dima said:

i understand that comparing to infinity doesn't make much sense.. but I am not expecting exact numbers. Let's say what is your idea on how much you love people in a sober state now compared to your love, let's say 5 years ago? And how much psychedelics experience helped with it?

I don't know how to explain it.

I could be much more loving than I am. Then again, it doesn't really matter how loving I am because it's all Love even if I'm an asshole.

[Dima]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know how to explain it.

I could be much more loving than I am. Then again, it doesn't really matter how loving I am because it's all Love even if I'm an asshole.

 it's all clear (it's really is)), everything is in harmony already (because It Is), everything is love, and I am a god same as you are (though of course I just imagine you, but why my imaginations should not be a god?)) and as everyone else is. Same as we have infinite options for our behavior models in the 'mundane' reality (you can be an asshole, a sage, or mother Theresa) -  it's all one and thus 'symmetrical'.

Despite it's all symmetrical we still chose an instance(s) out of an indefinite set of possibilities. So why we don't choose to act as a 'god' in the 'physical reality''? I was thinking of psychedelics work as a getting a blueprint that you can embody in 'physical world' in order to 'become a whole you' (instead of being between two states - sober state (which is more like your stage) and 'catalyzed' states). Do you see it differently?

(assumed i (you) work 'enough' on my (your) ego to escape surviving mode in 'physical reality')

Edited October 11, 2021 by Dima

[Dima]

what is more interesting (and i would be grateful if you shoot a video on this) what are the prerequisites for choosing this instance of 'physical reality' instead of any other as they are all symmetrical and imaginary. In other words - why reality is so diverse and complex (symmetry again)

(hope it makes sense)

[Jakuchu]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I could be much more loving than I am. Then again, it doesn't really matter how loving I am because it's all Love even if I'm an asshole.

You are bringing the absolute into the relative, making it messy 

Why care about embodying anything then with that attitude? 

Your way of doing spirituality is too intellectual to me at times. I feel like you are belittling the embodiment side of spirituality compared to the understanding side of it. It seems grasping god intellectually is easier for you than embodying it, so you focus more on that

Why care about what to eat, it's all Health

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Jakuchu

[Dima]

@Leo Gura  where do you find yourself on Spiral Dynamics in a 'sober' state?

[Jakuchu]

9 minutes ago, Dima said:

@Leo Gura  where do you find yourself on Spiral Dynamics in a 'sober' state?

red/blue 

[axiom]

2 hours ago, Dima said:

... but why my imaginations should not be a god?
...we have infinite options for our behaviour models in the 'mundane' reality
...we still chose an instance(s) out of an indefinite set of possibilities.
...why we don't choose to act as a 'god' in the 'physical reality?

As I understand it:

On the relative level, there is no "free will". Events happen and thoughts occur. It is not about choice. 

"Embodiment" either happens or does not happen.

Granted, in a body/mind vehicle that has had the gift of enlightenment, there is probably more chance that some reasonable degree of embodiment also takes place. But it is not a guarantee.

Edited October 11, 2021 by axiom

[Dima]

6 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

red/blue 

please, don't take it to nonsense..

the question can be formulated how much of turquoise Leo has.. in terms of system thinking, connecting dots etc. Leo is way beyond an average yellow.. though what turquoise requires (from personal experience and studies) is pure compassion, unconditional love and 'lack' of ego..

[Dima]

6 minutes ago, axiom said:

On the relative level, there is no "free will". Events happen and thoughts occur. It is not about choice. 

"Embodiment" either happens or does not happen.

thank you for this. that is close to what i am trying to put into words..

once you've got a realization of what god is (yourself and everything else as ONE) there are still some instances (realizations) that are not symmetrical. the question is why god is dreaming itself in this particular way. 'Events happen and thoughts occur' is not enough to explain it...

Edited October 11, 2021 by Dima

[axiom]

44 minutes ago, Dima said:

the question is why god is dreaming itself in this particular way. 'Events happen and thoughts occur' is not enough to explain it...

Are you familiar with the "Maybe" Zen parable? I think that relates to this quite nicely. I've included it below: 

Quote

Once upon a time there was an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. “Such bad luck,” they said sympathetically.

“Maybe,” the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. “How wonderful,” the neighbors exclaimed.

“Maybe,” replied the old man.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune.

“Maybe,” answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son’s leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.

“Maybe,” said the farmer.

The infinite mind of God cannot be understood from the relative level. Perfection unfolding will often look pretty messy from down here. We cannot circumscribe infinity within a finite boundary.

So to return to your question: "Why is God dreaming of itself in this particular way?" - This must be directly experienced (God consciousness) to be understood... and this complete understanding (the infinite) can never be brought back to ordinary human-level consciousness (the finite).

Edited October 11, 2021 by axiom

[Dima]

@axiom thank you, haven't heard about it, but that reminds me 'aniche' (everything changes) a lot..

i guess what I am trying to say is closer to implicit vs explicit. implicit order (aka god) contains all explicit ones (aka our perspectives) and the question is what (who?) makes this choice to pull out a particular explicit one and why (and what makes it even more complicated - its holographic principle - every explicit one contains the entire implicit one..)

I'll be happy with 'it can not be understood' answer (as one can just live through it, not understand), but we can still elaborate on this in terms of metaphysics..

anyway, thank you, it gave me some food to digest..

[axiom]

4 minutes ago, Dima said:

@axiom thank you, haven't heard about it, but that reminds me 'aniche' (everything changes) a lot..

i guess what I am trying to say is closer to implicit vs explicit. implicit order (aka god) contains all explicit ones (aka our perspectives) and the question is what (who?) makes this choice to pull out a particular explicit one and why (and what makes it even more complicated - its holographic principle - every explicit one contains the entire implicit one..)

I'll be happy with 'it can not be understood' answer (as one can just live through it, not understand), but we can still elaborate on this in terms of metaphysics..

anyway, thank you, it gave me some food to digest..

I think the real answers are:

What? God.
Why? God (try it, you might like it)

[Dima]

@axiom thank you )

[diamondpenguin]

Leo is in stage orange mode half the time. You can see it in his eyes.

[Username]

He is 100% stage red. You can see it in his nickname.