Does God/Good has anything to do with enlightenment?

[RedLine]

If you start learning about spirituallity they will tell you that God/Good is not only a believe that religious people have but something that one can experience for oneself through mysticism (pscychodelics, meditation and so on), been enlightenment the ultimate understading that reality is Good/Peace/Perfect/Beauty.

 

Then you research a little bit more and find that all individuals go trought similar stages in their spiritual journey towards enlightment, despite their culture of time. So you have this cross-cultural transpersonal map now.

 

Then you look for the people who "fullfull" the map, the most prestigious secular teachers who are enlightened nowayday -and therefore should have a higher understading of realtiy than the masters that are in the previous stages-: Shinzen Young, Culadasa, Daniel Ingram, Michael Taft and Kenneth Folk among others. 

 

Then you find that this people don´t dare to say clearly that the essence of reality is Good, they are not sure, and their metaphysical ideas in many cases are not much different that those from a normie athetist. Even the buddha, who is the referent of enlightenment, strongly oppose these Absolute notions of reality agains the previous traditions who were like Leo Gura and talked about Absolute, Perfection, Good, Love, etc.  

 

So what place has God now in our intellectual understanding of reality? Should we rely on people that takes 5-Meo-DMT and assume that it gives them a higher understading of reality than those who are enlightenment?

 

Please no "go and find by yourself", "God is just an idea in your mind that is happpening in the present", "you are imagining everything" and similar advaita parroting. We all know that. It does not help at all to go deep in this subject. 

 

Edited October 10, 2021 by RedLine

[Gesundheit2]

God/Good?

[RedLine]

@Flyboy

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20 hours ago, RedLine said:

If you start learning about spirituallity they will tell you that God/Good is not only a believe that religious people have but something that one can experience for oneself through mysticism (pscychodelics, meditation and so on), been enlightenment the ultimate understading that reality is Good/Peace/Perfect/Beauty.

 

Then you research a little bit more and find that all individuals go trought similar stages in their spiritual journey towards enlightment, despite their culture of time. So you have this cross-cultural transpersonal map now.

 

Then you look for the people who "fullfull" the map, the most prestigious secular teachers who are enlightened nowayday -and therefore should have a higher understading of realtiy than the masters that are in the previous stages-: Shinzen Young, Culadasa, Daniel Ingram, Michael Taft and Kenneth Folk among others. 

 

Then you find that this people don´t dare to say clearly that the essence of reality is Good, they are not sure, and their metaphysical ideas in many cases are not much different that those from a normie athetist. Even the buddha, who is the referent of enlightenment, strongly oppose these Absolute notions of reality agains the previous traditions who were like Leo Gura and talked about Absolute, Perfection, Good, Love, etc.  

 

So what place has God now in our intellectual understanding of reality? Should we rely on people that takes 5-Meo-DMT and assume that it gives them a higher understading of reality than those who are enlightenment?

 

Please no "go and find by yourself", "God is just an idea in your mind that is happpening in the present", "you are imagining everything" and similar advaita parroting. We all know that. It does not help at all to go deep in this subject. 

 

The highest aim, at the end of the path, is to realize there was never anybody walking the path to begin with. When the Buddha speaks of ending rebirth, he is talking about permanently removing the delusion that there is a "somebody" (me) experiencing all sensations. 

For example, we look at a tree and think "I see the tree." But in reality, the seeing just happens on its own. There is nobody at the driver's wheel directing vision or thinking or smelling or anything else. 

All religions and teachings are trying to express this point, with varying degrees of success. Any practice that allows you to see the selfless, agentless reality behind perception is a valid practice and will lead you to "God." 

[Terell Kirby]

On 10/10/2021 at 3:37 PM, RedLine said:

So what place has God now in our intellectual understanding of reality? Should we rely on people that takes 5-Meo-DMT and assume that it gives them a higher understading of reality than those who are enlightenment?

You cannot intellectually understand what God is, as it transcends intellect.

Also, just because someone takes 5-Meo DMT, or any other psychedelic doesn't guarantee that they will grasp what it means to be God.

Understanding what is God is very, very challenging. You have to sacrifice a lot to do it, and be willing to lose all comfort in your life and mind to pursue.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself if you really want this. If you do, you'll naturally come to understand.

If you don't (but act like you do), you are in for more bad than good.

Take this journey seriously, and proceed with caution.

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