How are you working on being a better Ally toward BIPOC

[Thought Art]

I think this is an important point to discuss. How are you working on being a better Ally? What are you thoughts on the subject?

It can be a difficult process and step to take for certain white people as it makes you really face your selfishness and biases as the entire subject usually uncomfortable as it rubs up against your identity. 

I think for a lot of people it's also not clear exactly how. 

For me it's about listening, understanding, questioning my biases, assumptions, prejudices, selfishness, etc and standing up for human rights when they are being crossed. Which, they are...

The World is incredibly complex and I am wondering what your thoughts are.

Even though I have a very diverse friend group, I still sense I can be a better ally.

Sometimes I sense there are nuances in reality where I can't agree with a crowd and that makes it tough for me. So, for now I am an ally in training as I grow and mature. I think we all are.

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by Thought Art

[Arcangelo]

All

Lives

Matter

ALM

[Opo]

3 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

All

Lives

Matter

ALM

Got em. 

[PurpleTree]

what's bipoc?

[Carl-Richard]

On 4.10.2021 at 0:03 PM, Thought Art said:

How are you working on being a better Ally?

By taking a course in Community Psychology, which is where I learned about the concept .

 

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

what's bipoc?

"Black, Indigenous and people of color." You could expand it to include every marginalized group (e.g. LGBTQ+, refugees, immigrants, people experiencing homelessness, financial problems etc.).

[impulse9]

I don't make basic human decency into ideology. It should be implicit and default. The only reason it's not is cultural and environmental programming. So maybe get rid of that. And you won't have a problem.

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

"Black, Indigenous and people of color." You could expand it to include every marginalized group (e.g. LGBTQ+, refugees, immigrants, people experiencing homelessness, financial problems etc.).

Then why not just say "let's help poor people"

why make it a racial thing and

does a black doctor really need more allies than a white homeless poor person?

does a (for examle) rich black family with strong family values etc. need more allies than a non black kid who grew up with no dad and a mother on drugs?

[supremeyingyang]

@impulse9 @Thought Art

I think the import part of the discussion is that we all agree that people deserve to live a good life and it's worth striving towards it. What is not important is the terms to describe that. Let's change structures instead of talking 'bout mere ideology.

By the way,  I'm not in any way ignorant about the many (!) Problems of the Non-White People: Poverty, Institutional Racism, Slavery, Crime, higher rates of Diseases, Alcoholism and Drug abuse... I read a LOT on the the Issues and let me tell you it's not right how it is now.

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by supremeyingyang

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why not just say "let's help poor people"

why make it a racial thing and

does a black doctor really need more allies than a white homeless poor person?

does a (for examle) rich black family with strong family values etc. need more allies than a non black kid who grew up with no dad and a mother on drugs?

BIPOC who experience financial problems experience different challenges than white people who experience financial problems.

[Opo]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Then why not just say "let's help poor people"

What about "let's help people"

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Opo said:

What about "let's help people"

people who need help

and poor people do need help, or people from broken homes etc. don't matter what skin color they have.

[Opo]

36 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

people who need help

and poor people do need help, or people from broken homes etc. don't matter what skin color they have.

Or people with erased culture, or people who were exploited for hundreds of years and then promised a retribution and not given it, or people who still suffer under systemic racism....

Doesn't matter what color they have, those people need help. 

[Epikur]

This forum seems to got back to reality. Not too bad.

[PurpleTree]

11 hours ago, Opo said:

Or people with erased culture, or people who were exploited for hundreds of years and then promised a retribution and not given it, or people who still suffer under systemic racism....

Doesn't matter what color they have, those people need help. 

saying that for example african americans have no culture is silly in many ways hiphop etc. is one of the dominating cultures in the world

and you probably can't help everybody

so here's comes my other question again

"does a black doctor really need more allies than a white homeless poor person?

does a (for example) rich black family with strong family values etc. need more allies than a non black kid who grew up with no dad and a mother on drugs?"

now if you want to change the american jail system and get people out of jail for non violent crimes etc. then of course i'm right there with you, it's very embarrassing for a first world country

[Opo]

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

saying that for example african americans have no culture is silly in many ways hiphop etc. is one of the dominating cultures in the world

 And that's why no one is saying that they don't have a culture. 

What I am saying is that their culture got erased when they became slaves. 

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

and you probably can't help everybody

Of course you can't help everybody. 

But that doesn’t mean you should cry about it and give up. 

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

so here's comes my other question again

"does a black doctor really need more allies than a white homeless poor person?

does a (for example) rich black family with strong family values etc. need more allies than a non black kid who grew up with no dad and a mother on drugs?"

What's an ally? 

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

now if you want to change the american jail system and get people out of jail for non violent crimes etc. then of course i'm right there with you, it's very embarrassing for a first world country

Yea. 

[PurpleTree]

20 minutes ago, Opo said:

What's an ally? 

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20 minutes ago, Opo said:

But that doesn’t mean you should cry about it and give up. 

all i'm saying is don't make it a racial thing

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

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all i'm saying is don't make it a racial thing

Was slavery a racial thing? Who made it a racial thing?

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Carl-Richard said:

Was slavery a racial thing? Who made it a racial thing?

you made it, you are god

why did you make it a racial thing?

in the end it was probably more of a business thing than a racial thing

was the invasion of the moors into spain a racial thing?

was the slaughter of celts by the romans a racial thing?

the list never stops

 

[Carl-Richard]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

in the end it was probably more of a business thing than a racial thing

19th century phrenology teaching about "the inferior cranial anatomy of the black man" as a justification to keep them as slaves was a racial thing yes.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

19th century phrenology teaching about "the inferior cranial anatomy of the black man" as a justification to keep them as slaves was a racial thing yes.

yea but it was probably done in favour of business, so that whites didn't feel too bad about keep doing it because that would have been bad for business

was it extremely racist? obviously

but ask yourself this, what do people care more about, riches or races?