Is Leo fully enlightened or still working toward it?

[Endangered-EGO]

@Wilhelm44 "When you awaken, the world awakens with you" is a quote somewhere

It's because the sense of self consists not only of what is in your Body, but also what is seen, felt heard, located.

Other-selves are your sense of self. You believe (feel like) there's some soul or consciousness inside of other people, because, you feel you have that IN your body. When the sense of self disappears in your Body, other people stop being people, but are perceived as "soulless robots".

Leo puts it "other people are imaginary". I think is too confusing to put it that way.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, Endangered-EGO said:

When the sense of self disappears in your Body, other people stop being people, but are perceived as "soulless robots".

Kind of, yeah. More like energy appearing as roles, perhaps with the appearance of actors believing they're doing that role, when the role (as well as the appearance of the actor) is just wild ungraspable uncontrollable free uncaused boundless energy (life) expressing as that.

[Moksha]

Full enlightenment is dissolving the apparent boundary of yourself. There is no longer the appearance of a "person" to be enlightened, only ultimate Consciousness.

When this happens, the dream dimension doesn't disappear, you simply see it for what it is. Consciousness continues to manifest through a myriad of apparent beings in relative reality, just not through "you".

[Endangered-EGO]

49 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Kind of, yeah. More like energy appearing as roles, perhaps with the appearance of actors believing they're doing that role, when the role (as well as the appearance of the actor) is just wild ungraspable uncontrollable free uncaused boundless energy (life) expressing as that.

@The0Self I can't want that again, ironically.

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Purple Man said:

I basically agree. To me, the solipsist terror is the a posteriori reaction of the human mind. It has all the characteristics of the human reasoning. But I asked Leo about that in a different topic, because there are levels that have been hidden to me yet. And I am close, but not there yet.

it's a twisted thing. I would say it is like this:  only you exist, I am you. there is only one experience. the one you are having. the one I'm having. They are the same, but by an incomprehensible trick, they appear different. When multiplicity collapses, you see that there is only you, that everyone is you and what you thought was happening was an illusion, a trick. It's the same for all, because all are one: you, or me.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Wilhelm44]

9 hours ago, Endangered-EGO said:

@Wilhelm44 "When you awaken, the world awakens with you" is a quote somewhere

It's because the sense of self consists not only of what is in your Body, but also what is seen, felt heard, located.

Other-selves are your sense of self. You believe (feel like) there's some soul or consciousness inside of other people, because, you feel you have that IN your body. When the sense of self disappears in your Body, other people stop being people, but are perceived as "soulless robots".

Leo puts it "other people are imaginary". I think is too confusing to put it that way.

@Endangered-EGO   I hear you, but can't we replace the "soulless robots" thing, with "seeing the Light of Consciousness shining through all". (another quote I think from Spira)

[TruthSoldier]

Thanks Leo.

[Raze]

He doesn’t even have the first stage of enlightenment 

[Yarco]

You can't be fully enlightened unless you're dead

(Not advocating you should take that path, you have a finite amount of time to enjoy this life and infinity to be enlightened)

[LfcCharlie4]

@Yarco Right? I never understand why people wanna rush through their human experience, especially when spirituality tends to exponentially improve it (after the inevitable seeking, and dark night of the soul for most etc) 

Like why not enjoy your time here first? 

[TruthSoldier]

The play of egos in here is marvellous 

[Shin]

It doesn't really matter, just take what is useful to you and don't worship, be a fanboy.

So many people being fanboys of one teacher only, or only Buddhism or neo advaita.

This is a sure way to close your mind and stay stupid.

[blackchair]

don't think it does  matter at all, he's great teacher.....

[Endangered-EGO]

On 02/10/2021 at 8:59 AM, Wilhelm44 said:

@Endangered-EGO   I hear you, but can't we replace the "soulless robots" thing, with "seeing the Light of Consciousness shining through all". (another quote I think from Spira)

@Wilhelm No. It becomes empty of everything. There's no difference between a rock and a human.

No-self=no-other=no-consciousness.

Soulless robots is more accurate because it's really dramatic.

[Verdesbird]

7 minutes ago, Endangered-EGO said:

@Wilhelm No. It becomes empty of everything. There's no difference between a rock and a human.

No-self=no-other=no-consciousness.

Soulless robots is more accurate because it's really dramatic.

advanced robots must have soul

[Razard86]

On 10/1/2021 at 4:02 PM, RMQualtrough said:

There's no such thing as enlightenment tbh. It's not possible for duality to ever end because you can't seperate something from nothing, and it's not possible to experience actual nonduality.

If "Leo" is fully enlightened he's still here experiencing me and every other living (experiencing) thing in every plane of reality, just as is the case already right now.

There was never duality to begin with.

[mp22]

On 01/10/2021 at 1:33 PM, Purple Man said:

solipsistic terror from God (manifestation would be a cosmic game to bear this solitude)

That would mean that God gets scared, gets bored, needs others etc..

Your God is a really powerful human type deity. Not an infinite perfect being. 

[Loveeee]

On 11/27/2021 at 5:22 AM, Endangered-EGO said:

@Wilhelm No. It becomes empty of everything. There's no difference between a rock and a human.

No-self=no-other=no-consciousness.

Soulless robots is more accurate because it's really dramatic.

In a way no body has soul, not even yours

Rather soul has bodies, and other "things"

In this way, everything has soul 

Solipsism goes full circle 

Alone = Together 

[Yimpa]

[Hojo]

@nuwu stop making up stories about what its like because they are just stories you are making up. Nothing you can think will be it thats how you stop being scared. What you think God is it instantly isn't so stop thinking and find it

Edited September 9, 2023 by Hojo