How could the first manifestation come into being?

[cypres]

I'm interested in how to get from 0/∞ to 1.

What is the "step" between everything/nothing and the first manifestation, the awareness of I/one? How did I-awareness arise from infinite-awareness?

[gettoefl]

god woke up one day and wanted to look in the mirror

[Vibroverse]

I think, perhaps, 0 has never become 1. 

[GreenWoods]

5 minutes ago, cypres said:

So is there any bridge between the manifest and unmanifest?

The bridge is Imagination.

[Someone here]

There wasn't a "first" thing. There was no beginning to existence. 

[Mason Riggle]

Just now, Someone here said:

There wasn't a "first" thing. There was no beginning to existence. 

^this is correct.

Drop your notions of 'first', 'manifest vs. non-manifest' and the questions resolve themselves. 

It's always right now... Infinity/Nothing appearing as Finity/Something

[Mason Riggle]

3 minutes ago, cypres said:

I don't mean existence itself.

What else is there? 

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, cypres said:

No first thing to manifested existence? I don't mean existence itself.

What do you mean then? 

[Leo Gura]

Every point within Infinity is simultaneously its beginning and end.

It's like trying to find the beginning of a line which is a circle. You'll never find it.

Reality is a perfect circle, which is the only way anything could exist.

What you must grok is that there cannot be a beginning or an end, otherwise nothing could exist.

[Tim R]

[Mason Riggle]

3 minutes ago, cypres said:

 People say that the first cause is God having the thought I, and I wonder if that is so and why?

 

It's because language is inherently dualistic, and you can't use dualistic language to make an accurate model of a non-dual reality. 

You can't logic your way into understanding an a-logical existence. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, cypres said:

@Mason Riggle@Someone here I believe I'm inquiring into something different. I acknowledge that beginning and end arise as part of the illusion, but within the illusion there is cause and effect. People say that the first cause is God having the thought I, and I wonder if that is so and why?

 

If there was a beginning you have to ask what came before the beginning. And it will lead to infinite regress. 

You just have no choice but to accept that reality is eternal. 

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Someone here said:

If there was a beginning you have to ask what came before the beginning. And it will lead to infinite regress. 

You just have no choice but to accept that reality is eternal. 

This

[Tim R]

@cypres There can't be anything prior to reality, because "prior to" is part of reality. 

[GreenWoods]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every point within Infinity is simultaneously its beginning and end.

It's like trying to find the beginning of a line which is a circle. You'll never find it.

Reality is a perfect circle, which is the only way anything could exist.

What you must grok is that there cannot be a beginning or an end, otherwise nothing could exist.

That circle analogy is really good

[Leo Gura]

[Bluff]

5 hours ago, cypres said:

What is the "step" between everything/nothing

There is no step because it's the same. 

Perspective turns nothingness into some thingness. 

[Mason Riggle]

@cypres nothing/everything appearing as something.. It's an illusion that occurs when 'what is' imagines that it's not what it is. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by Mason Riggle

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, cypres said:

So regardless of it being circular, the cause of the thought I or 1 is the realization that all is one?

I don't understand what does the "thought I" have to do with whether reality has a beginning or not 

[Mason Riggle]

@cypres it's more like a strange loop than a circle.. the map is not the territory.. reality extends infinitely in infinite 'directions'.. outward, inward, forward, backward... everything is so intimately connected to everything else (no separation, there isn't actually an 'everything else'.. everything is already all there is) such that there is only ever 1 thing... everything.