How do we have free will if God chooses the consequences?

Jakuchu · September 28, 2021

24 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Obviously there is NOT only "you" if by "you" we mean the human avatar.

Ok, but what has the human avatar to do with your decision making? If there is only God and you are God then who is making the decision?

Mason Riggle · September 28, 2021

@Someone here not all people are so prone to deny evidence, however it seems a disproportionate amount do when it comes to free will. It seems to me that there are reasons that can be known why people are so in denial of reality in this one area.. such as fear of not being in control.

Jakuchu · September 28, 2021

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Neuroscience has long ago debunked free will.

Of course Neuroscience is going to deny free will, because they are studying the brain but you are not the brain. You are that which created the brain and you did that willingly

Mason Riggle · September 28, 2021

5 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

Of course Neuroscience is going to deny free will, because they are studying the brain but you are not the brain. You are that which created the brain and you did that willingly

but did you do it 'freely'? This is the sticker.. what is meant by 'free'? For anyone who presents a case for 'free will', please define 'free' for me. Free from what, exactly?

Edited September 28, 2021 by Mason Riggle

Jakuchu · September 28, 2021

1 minute ago, Mason Riggle said:

but did you do it 'freely'?

No, God is kidnapped by the Yakuza and has been forced into creating a brain

Someone here · September 28, 2021

13 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

Of course Neuroscience is going to deny free will, because they are studying the brain but you are not the brain. You are that which created the brain and you did that willingly

I'm not conscious that I did design my own brain. What if I don't buy this whole God story?

At least you can be sure that the brain exists and how it works. But not about its origin and "who" created it.

Jakuchu · September 28, 2021

38 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What if I don't buy this whole God story?

Then rent it or leave the store

Edited September 28, 2021 by Jakuchu

gettoefl · September 28, 2021

really recommend watching leo's weekend vid on this, almost impossible to discuss this otherwise

if you didn't watch, might be worth to say so since we just spin thousands of words to no avail

EternalForest · September 29, 2021

@gettoefl I did watch it but I'm still confused about this point

GreenWoods · September 30, 2021

@EternalForest Your question is about how it works from the relative perspective, but you can't analyse the relative perspective too much, because it's just a concept.

Ultimately, the body-mind has cero free will.

God is doing everything, willing it into existence.

On 9/28/2021 at 6:41 AM, EternalForest said:

@Jakuchu Controlling the choices is irrelevant if I can't control the consequences.

The way you think of free will is that free means TOTALLY free.

But totally free is only the formless Godhead. Every creation/imagination/distinction means limits. Ceating an imaginary individual entity like a human, autamitcally entails millions of limits. Without limit, nothing can exist.

Gesundheit2 · October 1, 2021

I think the junk food argument is pretty silly and loaded with religious morality. Leo tends to overestimate himself and his insights, thanks to psychedelics (they give a false sense of confidence).

But to your question, what does choosing the consequences have to do with free will? Ask yourself, why do you think that that would make a difference? What would be the imagined difference in there? Why would one certain case be lacking free will and the other not?

Edited October 1, 2021 by Gesundheit2

Whatever · October 1, 2021

On 28.9.2021 at 2:51 PM, Mason Riggle said:

I don't quite understand why people are so immune to the idea that there is no free will. It's so elegant, simple, and perfect.

So many here look for Truth and then deny it when it's staring them point blank in the face.

Because it free's you from all responsibility. Its a same sexiness than there is in calling everything illusion and claiming there is no self. Its a copout. I have no free wil, therefore... Implications and ramifications of these beliefs can be huge.

Edited October 1, 2021 by Whatever

Mason Riggle · October 1, 2021

@Whatever I have no free will therefor what??? What are the implications?

I think if you actually sat down and considered what the implications and ramifications would be, you might discover that it's not problematic, but rather, the opposite.

Whatever · December 7, 2021

Its a difference between fate and calling. In fate life kinda happend to you, including your choices and since thats the case nothing to do, no responsibility. In other, you are the the one who has to make choices, take responsibility and agree to be human in complex world of relationships and multiple importances. With paths that differ and one is better than another.

I know this kind of talk isnt politically correct spiritual jargon in this forum but I think its important reminder. Its my understanding that the way practiced and preached here has brought multiple people to suicide. Dont wish to free people from responsibility that your actions might part take on someones decision to commit one in future.