meditation is not that useful

[SQAAD]

@Nahm

8 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Max8

It will not change anything. 

Meditation can change many things. Why are you saying that? It even changes the brain.

What are the alternatives that will promote change then?

Edited September 28, 2021 by SQAAD

[The0Self]

22 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

@Nahm

Meditation can change many things. Why are you saying that? It even changes the brain.

What are the alternatives that will promote change then?

On that level, nothing. Nothing ever changes which is everything constantly changing. As for getting into wonderfully blissful states, there is basically no substitute for meditation, sure. In fact it seems in this forum there is widespread underestimation of meditation, to the point where there are people using recreational drugs for pleasure, completely unaware that skillful meditation states blow all recreational drugs out of the water as far as pleasure goes. It's not right or wrong, just uninformed.

Edited September 28, 2021 by The0Self

[Max8]

23 minutes ago, SQAAD said:

 I am doing it more because i enjoy it 

what method  you using?

 

[SQAAD]

@Max8

29 minutes ago, Max8 said:

what method  you using?

 

Observing the breath. But right now i am basically doing nothing in particular. It's more like a being/happening rathert than something i am doing. Thats why i enjoy it now so much. In the beginning it was much a doing and not that fun.

[SQAAD]

@The0Self

38 minutes ago, The0Self said:

As for getting into wonderfully blissful states, there is basically no substitute for meditation, sure. In fact it seems in this forum there is widespread underestimation of meditation, to the point where there are people using recreational drugs for pleasure, completely unaware that skillful meditation states blow all recreational drugs out of the water as far as pleasure goes. It's not right or wrong, just uninformed.

Yes i agree with you on that. People are quick to throw out the baby with the bathwater.  Meditation really works but it takes time. I've watched a documentary on Netflix where it basically showed that master meditators get the most benefit out of meditation. It just takes few years to get out of that noobie stage.

To me i don't care if i get enlightned while meditating. I just enjoy the peace of mind it brings. One meditator was like 42 and he had the brain of a 33 year old man. That's impressive. And the level of compassion he could generate was astronomically high. 

Those who are really wise will stick to a meditative practice. And then the psychedelics will be the cherry on top. Psychedelics are a temporary tool. You need a daily tool also if you really want to change your state. It was nice when Leo was promoting meditation more 4 years ago. 

Edited September 28, 2021 by SQAAD

[Ry4n]

@Max8 Try Yoga, highly underrated on this masculine dominated forum ha. And the headless techniques by Douglas harding may help you too. Adyashanti's techniques if your monkey mind won't shut up. 

[Max8]

6 hours ago, Ry4n said:

@Max8 Try Yoga

na man, yoga is for the girls because it makes the body releases more estrogen

i rather kick the gym 

 

[Jakuchu]

7 minutes ago, Max8 said:

na man, yoga is for the girls because it makes the body releases more estrogen

i rather kick the gym 

Edited September 28, 2021 by Jakuchu

[Pacific Sage]

6 minutes ago, Max8 said:

na man, yoga is for the girls because it makes the body releases more estrogen

i rather kick the gym 

 

During yoga, brain also releases dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins. 

Yoga essential means union of the duality and is a way of life.

Stretching with dedicated breathing is a sort of meditation itself and will make you feel good.

[Pacific Sage]

2 minutes ago, Jakuchu said:

 

Physical yoga is so under rated, flexible body - flexible mind.

??? Nice face palm lol

 

 

 

[Max8]

@Jakuchu

 

2 minutes ago, Pacific Sage said:

During yoga, brain also releases dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin and endorphins. 

Yoga essential means union of the duality and is a way of life.

Stretching with dedicated breathing is a sort of meditation itself and will make you feel good.

it's true 

but i think  old people need this the most 

young people don't because  their bodies  already releases those 

 

[allislove]

@Max8

It's all about conditioning... seems like there are a lot of held beliefs... so meditation is not that eye-opening here. I'd combine it with LSD, shrooms, 5-MeO to see that the sky is the limit here, and then would see the same soberly via meditation practice. Good luck.

[Nahm]

@SQAAD

Meditation is more for letting go of expectations, vs putting expectations on meditation. It ‘works’ by not working, like you change by never changing. 

[Pacific Sage]

So in the end meditation does work.

 

[allislove]

58 minutes ago, Pacific Sage said:

So in the end meditation does work.

 

Exactly 

[sleep]

12 hours ago, Nahm said:

@SQAAD

Meditation is more for letting go of expectations, vs putting expectations on meditation. It ‘works’ by not working, like you change by never changing. 

I disagree with you. Through certain kinds of meditation you train certain abilities like attention, peripheral awareness and the capacity of consciousness to hold multiple objects. 

[Ry4n]

19 hours ago, Max8 said:

na man, yoga is for the girls because it makes the body releases more estrogen

i rather kick the gym 

 

hahahahahaha

[Nahm]

@sleep

No ya can’t. 

[Thought Art]

Meditation changed my life for the better. Yall crayyy

It's helped me to settle and transcend my recent fears and ego backlashes... 20 minutes in morning 20 minutes at night for me right now.

I feel very relaxed.

I use the techniques taught in the headspace app which I highly recommend. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by Thought Art

[Jakuchu]

1 hour ago, Thought Art said:

Meditation changed my life for the better. Yall crayyy

It's helped me to settle and transcend my recent fears and ego backlashes... 20 minutes in morning 20 minutes at night for me right now.

I feel very relaxed.

I use the techniques taught in the headspace app which I highly recommend. 

No, you helped yourself because you are Meditation. There is no such a thing as meditation