5-MeO-MALT Mega-Thread

[OBEler]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Vaping can be painfully intense, shocking, and even physically dangerous. It's easy to inhale too much.

Plugging on a medium dose is strong but managable.

We need to put things into relation. Vaping the same amount of mg you would plug would be because of better Absorption stronger and therefore more dangerous.

So you would say a medium dose plugging with medium effects is less physical and mental dangerous than a medium dose of inhaling with medium effects?

 

Edited September 28 by OBEler

[Lynx]

@Unleash If you are to ever try Malt again, please do it on its own without weed. Pretty sure weed is responsible for the schizo / paranoid episode, great share besides that  

For me making ejuice with Malt has been an absolute game changer, the vape is not strong (400mg Malt for 3.7g Peg400) so when I take a 5-6 second hit I'm still in low dose territory. I usually take 3 to 4 like this to get where I want to be but the cool part about this option is that you can redose pretty easily if you feel the need to without traumatizing yourself because you took too much.

When you vape 15mg with another method for example, you usually take it all at ounce so it's too late when you realise you took too much...
A properly dosed vape pen can avoid this problem

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Lynx said:

If you are to ever try Malt again, please do it on its own without weed. Pretty sure weed is responsible for the schizo / paranoid episode,

That's a great point.

Don't mix weed with your trips.

[Leo Gura]

Yeah, vape pens are much milder way to go.

[OBEler]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yeah, vape pens are much milder way to go.

You said  "Vaping can be painfully intense, shocking, and even physically dangerous. It's easy to inhale too much.

Plugging on a medium dose is strong but managable." Are we talking about different roas?

I always reference to vape pens and compare them to plugging. And in my opinion that's less risky and less shocking. Are you referring to another method of vaping?

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler A proper vape is not a vape pen.

[Davino]

If you wanna use weed in your trips use it in the come down. It will put the psychedelic back online plus the cannabis vibe.

I haven't found much synergia on the come up nor in the peak with weed.

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, Lynx said:

@Unleash If you are to ever try Malt again, please do it on its own without weed. Pretty sure weed is responsible for the schizo / paranoid episode, great share besides that  

For me making ejuice with Malt has been an absolute game changer, the vape is not strong (400mg Malt for 3.7g Peg400) so when I take a 5-6 second hit I'm still in low dose territory. I usually take 3 to 4 like this to get where I want to be but the cool part about this option is that you can redose pretty easily if you feel the need to without traumatizing yourself because you took too much.

When you vape 15mg with another method for example, you usually take it all at ounce so it's too late when you realise you took too much...
A properly dosed vape pen can avoid this problem

Can you explain how you redose with that? The peak is normally about 5-10 minutes in. So if you redose before you could go too high because you redosed before the peak.

Do you redose every 10 minutes then? And does it build up ?

And if the first one is clearly too weak with this ratio why not start with a stronger one to get already on a higher level right from the beginning 

[StripedGiraffe]

My first two 5-meo-MALT (HCL) trip reports + questions.

background: I have never tried 5-meo-dmt although I want to asap. I’ve have 50+ trips with mushrooms, lsd, ketamine, and ayahuasca. 
 

Day 1:

I plugged 10mg and didn’t feel much.

25 minutes later, I plugged another 7mg

i felt like I was on maybe half a gram of mushrooms.

15 minutes later, I snorted another 7mg.

I basically felt like was on a gram of mushrooms but with less sensory distortion.

I realized how much I’ve been in a rush lately. I saw how hurry was like a toxin that poisons life by turning the present moment into a vehicle to get to some future event. 

I really only felt any remotely trippy feeling after my third dose so I thought maybe plugging doesn’t work well for me with this substance and that next time I was just do nasal mist. 
 

The next day:

I took this dose as a nasal mist, in three rounds, 10 minutes apart, a total of around 40mg (6 red scoops).

At the peak, I basically felt like on was on an eighth of mushrooms but with no sensory distortions except mild tracers. 

I became acutely aware of how much bullshit is constantly flowing through my mind, causing a constant stream of needless suffering. I always feel like I’m searching, grasping, clinging, avoiding, distracting etc. 

I basically just sat in this discomfort while trying to be present with my body awareness. 
 

Questions:

I know a lot of you guys are breaking through with less than 25 mg, and I haven’t really heard about anyone else taking doses this high. 40mg felt safe and easily manageable (except for the burning in my nose, that sucked and I’ll be plugging next time). My intuition says, it’s cool, keep increasing my dose until I break through, but I just wanted to throw it out there to hear some other takes out of an abundance of caution. 

Also, all of these doses assume that a red microscoop (labeled 10-15mg) is actually 7mg. This is solely based on what I’ve seen on this forum as my scale is not sensitive enough. If someone could verify or correct me on that, I would appreciate it. Thanks 🙏 

I also wonder if maybe I’m just too distracted right now to be able to surrender to the medicine. The push/pull of my ego mind makes it hard to stabilize my attention and I wonder if that’s limiting my experience. This happened the first time I drank Aya. I was basically sober for 4 hours until I started examining my resistance, then I basically melted into the floor. I recognize the resistance and examined it on malt, but not much happened. Or perhaps I just need to increase the dose. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Blessings. 

 

 

Edited September 29 by StripedGiraffe

[RendHeaven]

59 minutes ago, StripedGiraffe said:

Also, all of these doses assume that a red microscoop (labeled 10-15mg) is actually 7mg. This is solely based on what I’ve seen on this forum as my scale is not sensitive enough. If someone could verify or correct me on that, I would appreciate it. Thanks 🙏

I've actually measured as low as 5mg per red microscoop for MALT HCL.

It's just too uncertain - so at this point I don't really think of doses as mg but rather # of scoops

[Unleash]

@Lynx Thanks for the advice, that could very well be the case. I was under the assumption the MALT would just overpower the weed entirely, and just did it for convience sake of being the easiest way to smoke it. If I do this again, which won't be for a while, I'll go through the extra effort of figuring out how to vape it or use another ingestion method. 

[Lynx]

@OBEler You will get a feel for it with time, let's say you make the liquid, start by pulling for 5 - 6 seconds on the pen then release and wait for a while and see how you feel. You're not in a rush or something so take your time even if you stay at a low dose for your first time, goal is to know how the pen affects you. 
After 5 or 10 minute you will know what 5 - 6 sec pull can do then it becomes an entirely intuitive thing, you don't care about what dosage did I put anymore and you just end up trusting 100% your intuition and feel for it.

Here is a concrete example as I decided to vape some Malt this morning :

I took a tiny pull from the pen to get into the Malt headspace then went straight for another one.
"Aaaah Malt is soo good, really loving energy I love it, let's take another one"
*Proceed to hit the pen for the third and fourth time*
"Okay now I think I'm good, let's lie down in a comfortable and open position without moving" <--- Please don't underestimate this part with 5meo /!\
Then at this moment, I stayed for maybe 2 - 3 minutes and I got this feeling of "I need more", in fact I had repeating thought urging me to take one last hit so I Trusted this feeling and just went for it.
I then proceeded to melt with my carpet in a pure ocean of Love. 
The rest is now history but you get the idea

[Lynx]

@StripedGiraffe I would say trust your Intuition on this one. If you are not so sure you can stay at the same dosage for a little while until you feel comfortable there then move on

[integration journey]

@Lynx have you tried 5-Meo-DMT? How would you compare it to MALT? 

[Lynx]

@integration journey For me 5-Meo-DMT is the rough father, he shows you non-duality whether you like it or not kinda brute force you into it.
MALT is the loving mother, she shows it to you in an absolute loving way, even if you're in the brick of breaking through but you're not quite sure you want to go, she will respect your bondary and put you exactly where you need to be.

So to sum it up, 5meoDMT is more masculine energy, straight to the point and MALT is more feminine, very loving and forgiving

[integration journey]

2 minutes ago, Lynx said:

@integration journey For me 5-Meo-DMT is the rough father, he shows you non-duality whether you like it or not kinda brute force you into it.
MALT is the loving mother, she shows it to you in an absolute loving way, even if you're in the brick of breaking through but you're not quite sure you want to go, she will respect your bondary and put you exactly where you need to be.

So to sum it up, 5meoDMT is more masculine energy, straight to the point and MALT is more feminine, very loving and forgiving

Yeah that’s a beautiful explanation 

[shree]

I never got why people give 5-MeO-MALT these soft, feminine labels.

At high doses, MALT tears you apart piece by piece until there's nothing left.

 

5-MeO-DMT, on the other hand, hits like a freight train - quick and unforgiving.

In the end, both have the same vibe and will crush your ego hard when you hit the right dose.

 

Edited September 29 by shree

[OBEler]

2 hours ago, shree said:

I never got why people give 5-MeO-MALT these soft, feminine labels.

At high doses, MALT tears you apart piece by piece until there's nothing left.

 

5-MeO-DMT, on the other hand, hits like a freight train - quick and unforgiving.

In the end, both have the same vibe and will crush your ego hard when you hit the right dose.

 

You are absolutely right in terms of crushing your ego hard.

I ask me which of them is less hard to the body, especially the heart?

[RendHeaven]

18 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You are absolutely right in terms of crushing your ego hard.

I ask me which of them is less hard to the body, especially the heart?

I feel significantly better during and after 5meodmt than MALT in terms of body load

MALT always makes me feel like the body is made out of an uncomfortable prickly molasses

that's just my subjective viewpoint though.

[shree]

5 hours ago, OBEler said:

You are absolutely right in terms of crushing your ego hard.

I ask me which of them is less hard to the body, especially the heart?

Probably 5-MeO-DMT, since it acts within a few seconds when vaporized, and the savagery it provides during the come-up is unparalleled.

 

I sadly never got the chance to experience it by plugging.