How does women being triggered invalidate these principles?

[coca]

Another thing which i would like improved here is whenever you think someone is wrong then explain to them why they are wrong. You are wrong/biased etc is not enough, an explanation of why they are so would be more useful.  Do you really expect a super stubborn person to understand it all by himself without any guidance? I noticed it in the girls want traditional man thread that was locked, not a good job was done to explain the OP why he was biased and wrong.

This is a very important point. Many people on this forum are lazy and simply post 1-liners basically just saying "you are wrong", "you are deluded" or whatever without delivering any explanations as to why they think that. Basically to many people post without delivering any value (value=helping somebody to understand something by explaining it concisely and clearly) 

The women saying that reading this information is hurtful, cant give any logical reason why it's invalid, other than "its biased", (All dating is literally inherently biased, that doesn't invalidate anything said?)  and are just getting emotionally triggered. Further, I can't understand how something can emotionally trigger you if you truly are not personally invested/attached to the topic at hand (which needs to be separated from the general discussion). We are on a self development forum, and clearly not purposely trying to be "toxic" or offend anyone.

 

Original Exchange:

"You are a dodo bird by subscribing to this dumb view of women."

How am I dumb for holding this view ?

"It simply isn't true.

You've fallen into self-deception by cherrypicking, confirmation bias, and ideology.

Go watch my series on Self-Deception Parts 1, 2, 3."

Can you please elaborate how my view is absurd?

I didn’t take anything out of context, each of these replies is easily searchable and u can find the original thread it would just be too much to paste everything. 

Like I said, cherrypicking and confirmation bias.

You took stuff I said totally out of context to justify your absurd attitude towards women.

I warned you exactly against this."

"Locking this because OP is not open to changing his position on this matter"

There is no difference between attracting a chain-smoking club slut vs a virgin enlightened unicorn soul princess.

The attraction triggers are all hardwired deep in her brain stem and are the same.

That enlightened unicorn soul princess likes to get bent over and fucked just like any other girl.

Watch out for the myth of spiritual people somehow being special snowflakes who are above the animal drives. No they aren't. They are horny animals just like everyone else.

The girl who pretends that she is special and "not that type of girl" is exactly the type of girl who will sleep with an asshole psychopath at the drop of a dime.

Every girl thinks she is "not that type of girl".

They like: confidence, assertiveness, detachment from outcome, driven-ness, strength, leadership, charisma.

Which tends to be what assholes have a lot of.

What if I said this:

High quality enlightened guys don't like perfectly shaped big tits. They are just too special for that. They are above that. Only scumbag guys like that.

Would you believe it?

 

Of course no girl will admit to going to a club to fuck. She must act like it's just fun with friends so she isn't slut-shamed by folks like you.

Hot girls have lots of sex on a whim. It's not all about finding some ideal partner. Sometimes people are just horny and looking for an adventure.

Exactly.

Because you have too little experience with the sexual escapades of hot girls.

Girls conceal and lie about how much sex they have and how easily and quickly they have it. She doesn't want you to know she sucked some random dude's cock in the parking lot after talking to him for 30 minutes. Yet this happens all the time. Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags.

I've seen too much 

Leo's idea? Lol

Yeah, I invented that. All me. No woman has ever fallen for an asshole.

You can talk and theorize all you want, but the fact remains that a highly feminine girl would rather get fucked by a strong asshole than by a weak guy.

There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies.

I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex.

Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games.

Of course. The reality is, a woman wants strong emotions. And a player gives that to her like no other man can. Which is why women will cheat on their lame boyfriends and husbands with players. A women with get attracted to whatever guy gives her the strongest emotions.

Then don't sleep with players. Sleep with some shy nerd who has zero game. There are millions of them around so you will have no problem finding one.

But you see, you don't want to sleep with such a man. You are not attracted to that. You are attracted precisely to strong men who are players who would sleep with lots of women. But you selfishly want to lock him down for yourself exclusively.

If a woman has enough value, she will be able to leverage it to get the man to be loyal to her. But if she has insufficient value, she won't. And this is what really pisses you off. Because you want to be able to lock down a man with higher value than you, and you see how easily that fails. But you still want it because you are greedy. You want value for free. This is otherwise known as stealing value. Your ego-mind wants to steal sexual value. Well, that doesn't work so well. So stop doing it.

But also, don't pretend like women don't go through a slutty phase. Women sleep around as much if not more than men, but you love to deny it.

Haha

In practice what most women do is this:

They spend their teens and 20s sleeping around with the hottest, most high-value guys they can find. But since these guys are high value, they tend to be players who leverage their value and won't commit, or are abusive narcissistic assholes. So eventually by the time you hit your 30s you learn your lesson and lower your standards to guys who are less players, but also less attractive and you find some comfortable compromise position with such a guy and you two settle down.

Then you get divorced.

This is a tale as old as mankind itself. Nothing at all surprising about it. This is the game. The game is happening whether you know it or not, whether you want it or not.

Are you seriously going to deny that hot women in their 20's sleep around?

Come on.

I just wouldn't recommend sleeping with a crack whore.

How you use sex is a great honest signal of your level of consciousness and development.

The less conscious you are, the more dysfunctional and degenerate your sex will be, and vice versa.

I bet you've opened it to some unworthy 

It's okay. I won't judge.

What you really want is a player who will fall head over heels in love with only you.

Would you want to marry and have kids with the town slut?

Never. You want a nice girl who will be loyal to you.

You may like women being sluts when you're looking for one night stands, but as soon as you start looking for a serious partner you will sing a very different tune. And all women know this subconsciously. They know that a serious guy won't commit to a slut, he will just pump and dump her.

[Etherial Cat]

This topic has been discussed over and over on this forum. 

If you want to understand why, you're free to look at older threads and try to understand the points which have been made, instead of insisting on being explained through numerous thread in details what makes red pill talking points wrong. And this especially if in the process you've been showing hostility and close mindedness towards forum members.

And it's not about women being triggered "because the truth hurts ", it is about women being triggered because of being gaslit, falsely depicted and having to over and over refute the same points on top of them being misogynistic.

I'm sure you're able to notice by yourself that red pill is not exactly a cordial perspective on females and you'll probably end up wanting to move on to something more constructive, conscious and humanizing than reading stuff like "wOmEn aRe bEinG rAn TrOUGH dUrIng tHEir teEns AnD EaRly 20s By AlpHas" on a forum which is dedicated to self-help, philosophy and consciousness.

Edited September 9, 2021 by Etherial Cat

[mandyjw]

Your world will reflect your beliefs back to you. If I spend two hours researching Toyotas, all I will see for the next week are Toyotas everywhere I go. Are there more Toyotas than there were before? No. Are there still just as many Fords, and Chevies and Dodge, etc? Yep. But I'm not seeing them. 

It's not about validation or invalidation. If you knew that what you see is what you believe and focus on reflected back to you, why on each would you keep believing things that feel AWFUL? 

Edited September 9, 2021 by mandyjw

[Preety_India]

These kind of posts and threads are not helpful because they are extreme generalizations and biased views on matters that differ vastly on a collective spectrum. Everyone is going to have their own personal circumstances and experiences and meanwhile each is entitled to express their own, the problem arises when such experiences are converted into standard metrics to be applied across the board as though it's some kind of a principle, when it's simply a conclusion or interpretation arrived at based on experience, it has nothing to do with general perspectives of a majority of people, why should people suffer the fate of believing some false information forced down their throats as the truth, it's obvious that it would be met with extreme resistance since it's self deception 101.

 

[hamedsf]

conscious talks something while subconscious does the other.

human beings are slave to the hard-wired biological program including women. 

this attraction mind program belongs to the caveman time not current time. everything is wild, so is human love. 

 

[roopepa]

Okay. You're right. Them girls evil, only fucking douchebags.

So, if you want to have sex, go and be the asshole. Problem solved. And if you don't want to be an asshole, then you'll remain a virgin forever. Your decision.

Yeah, life sucks sometimes. No can do. No conversation on this forum will change that. You just gotta be a man and accept your fate.

Edited September 9, 2021 by roopepa

[flowboy]

On 09/09/2021 at 4:56 PM, coca said:

Go watch my series on Self-Deception Parts 1, 2, 3."

@coca So did you? Watch all of that, front to back?

Not everything can be explained in a couple of good arguments. You're still working off the basic premise that there is one objective truth, that can be expressed in words, and the best logical argument will reveal that truth.

Isn't that what you assume? That if you have the best arguments, then you are right?

I don't blame you. This is the unspoken myth of debate.

The fact is, you can defend your stance with the best arguments, refute everything being thrown at you, and still live in your own personal hell, that no one else here lives in. You are defending beliefs that make you unhappy using arguments, and assuming that the arguments are prior to the belief. "It's based on logic, that's why I believe it". If you look deeper though, it's the other way around. First you chose the belief, then you collected the arguments. Or found them on the internet. And then due to confirmation bias, you see evidence everywhere, and all the other people seem deluded.

But what's prior to argument? Choosing that belief.

Choosing a belief that makes you unhappy, feel lacking, feel restricted or victimized in some way, or feel negative towards a group of people, such as women, is usually caused by painful experience.

The unprocessed pain causes a toxic belief to feel real.

The arguments and evidence come after that.

So because someone else had different experience, they will choose different beliefs, and then later form argument.

This is why having a Battle Of The Arguments doesn't work. It's too surface level.

What you can do, is working at the belief level, or at the experience level.

Choosing a different belief will work, because it starts to become more real as you start to live by it. It will lead to a more positive experience.

Taking action to have more positive experience will also work. That can be fertile grounds for more healthy beliefs. Which you can then find arguments and evidence for.

[Arcangelo]

 

 

On 9/9/2021 at 8:56 AM, coca said:

There is no difference between attracting a chain-smoking club slut vs a virgin enlightened unicorn soul princess.

The attraction triggers are all hardwired deep in her brain stem and are the same.

That enlightened unicorn soul princess likes to get bent over and fucked just like any other girl.

Watch out for the myth of spiritual people somehow being special snowflakes who are above the animal drives. No they aren't. They are horny animals just like everyone else.

The girl who pretends that she is special and "not that type of girl" is exactly the type of girl who will sleep with an asshole psychopath at the drop of a dime.

Every girl thinks she is "not that type of girl".

They like: confidence, assertiveness, detachment from outcome, driven-ness, strength, leadership, charisma.

Which tends to be what assholes have a lot of.

What if I said this:

High quality enlightened guys don't like perfectly shaped big tits. They are just too special for that. They are above that. Only scumbag guys like that.

Would you believe it?

 

Of course no girl will admit to going to a club to fuck. She must act like it's just fun with friends so she isn't slut-shamed by folks like you.

Hot girls have lots of sex on a whim. It's not all about finding some ideal partner. Sometimes people are just horny and looking for an adventure.

Exactly.

Because you have too little experience with the sexual escapades of hot girls.

Girls conceal and lie about how much sex they have and how easily and quickly they have it. She doesn't want you to know she sucked some random dude's cock in the parking lot after talking to him for 30 minutes. Yet this happens all the time. Your innocent girl isn't as innocent as you imagine. Your blood would boil if you knew how much sex these girls are having without you and the kind of scumbags they do it with. I am mean total scumbags.

I've seen too much 

Leo's idea? Lol

Yeah, I invented that. All me. No woman has ever fallen for an asshole.

You can talk and theorize all you want, but the fact remains that a highly feminine girl would rather get fucked by a strong asshole than by a weak guy.

There are some harsh truths about how women have sex. When you learn the truth of it, it busts many romanticized myths and cultural fantasies.

I got nothing against femininity or women. I just don't prepetuate the myths of how they have sex.

Sex is deliberately lied about in our culture because it is still taboo. You women have to maintain an air of innocence and purity. I get it. But I am not going to play those games.

Of course. The reality is, a woman wants strong emotions. And a player gives that to her like no other man can. Which is why women will cheat on their lame boyfriends and husbands with players. A women with get attracted to whatever guy gives her the strongest emotions.

Then don't sleep with players. Sleep with some shy nerd who has zero game. There are millions of them around so you will have no problem finding one.

But you see, you don't want to sleep with such a man. You are not attracted to that. You are attracted precisely to strong men who are players who would sleep with lots of women. But you selfishly want to lock him down for yourself exclusively.

If a woman has enough value, she will be able to leverage it to get the man to be loyal to her. But if she has insufficient value, she won't. And this is what really pisses you off. Because you want to be able to lock down a man with higher value than you, and you see how easily that fails. But you still want it because you are greedy. You want value for free. This is otherwise known as stealing value. Your ego-mind wants to steal sexual value. Well, that doesn't work so well. So stop doing it.

But also, don't pretend like women don't go through a slutty phase. Women sleep around as much if not more than men, but you love to deny it.

Haha

In practice what most women do is this:

They spend their teens and 20s sleeping around with the hottest, most high-value guys they can find. But since these guys are high value, they tend to be players who leverage their value and won't commit, or are abusive narcissistic assholes. So eventually by the time you hit your 30s you learn your lesson and lower your standards to guys who are less players, but also less attractive and you find some comfortable compromise position with such a guy and you two settle down.

Then you get divorced.

This is a tale as old as mankind itself. Nothing at all surprising about it. This is the game. The game is happening whether you know it or not, whether you want it or not.

Are you seriously going to deny that hot women in their 20's sleep around?

Come on.

I just wouldn't recommend sleeping with a crack whore.

How you use sex is a great honest signal of your level of consciousness and development.

The less conscious you are, the more dysfunctional and degenerate your sex will be, and vice versa.

I bet you've opened it to some unworthy 

It's okay. I won't judge.

What you really want is a player who will fall head over heels in love with only you.

Would you want to marry and have kids with the town slut?

Never. You want a nice girl who will be loyal to you.

You may like women being sluts when you're looking for one night stands, but as soon as you start looking for a serious partner you will sing a very different tune. And all women know this subconsciously. They know that a serious guy won't commit to a slut, he will just pump and dump her.

Yeap

Leo

said

it.

That's

why

he

is

my favorite

personal

development teacher .