The Masculine and Feminine ALWAYS go Together

[SamC]

18 hours ago, Emerald said:

In case you’re genuinely interested… Et voila…

But the reason why I didn’t post the other such thread is because the women on here don’t generally have an issue with masculine integration.

In order for women to be interested in Leo’s content at all, she’d likely be fairly well acquainted with her masculine side… more than the average woman. 

I'm curious about your POW on this.

Could it be that woman here are acquainted with the shadow masculine and that the guys are acquainted with the shadow feminine? If not, what's the difference between the two forms of masculinity when it comes to the gals on the forum? ( shadow and "normal" familiarity with the masculine)

@Emerald

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by SamC

[Emerald]

30 minutes ago, SamC said:

 I have a question, but which needs a build up...

Take the following anecdoteical scenario.

If a man where to constantly emotionally abuse a woman, the woman would reject the man and run away. She is forced to distance herself from the man because otherwise she would be in danger. The masculine energy is in this scenario not capable to create a shell for the feminie to be itself in.

The woman in this scenario is in other words disowned by the masculine by the emotional abuse/ neglect and is now forced to provide on her own. The masculine energy has pushed her away which made her run even further away to avoid the dangerous " masculine energy". She is not one with the masculine anymore and therefor must separate herself from the masculine to be safe. What's interesting however is that when the feminine ( the woman) is doing that, she is simultaneously rejecting the man by distancing herself from the masculine because it is dangerous, thus creating more separation.

Does this mean that the feminine also must learn to see the masculine perspective in order for the relationship within the parts of the ego to heal, or is the work only in integrating the feminine side which then will make the feminine side more comfortable with the masculine? Is it possible to integrate the feminine side without considering and providing love for the masculine side at the same time? Can one have a good relationship with the feminine if the the feminine also pushes the masculine away?

@Emerald

 

Usually, if a woman ends up in an abusive dynamic with a man… especially if that abusive dynamic stems from her relationship to her father and other men who were around her in her childhood… she will have a negative relationship to her masculine side.

And this leads to either a lack of Divine Masculine qualities like autonomy, objectivity, direction, self-efficacy, clarity, etc….

Or it leads the Shadow Masculine to take on a possessive role where the woman becomes avoidant, armored, combative, and domineering.

And in order for her to heal, she’ll have to likely reintegrate both the masculine and feminine side.

The relationship with the masculine will have to be healed because her experiences with masculine people have been painful. And this leads her to see the masculine as strong but evil.

But likewise, she may resent and reject her feminine side and womanhood for making her vulnerable to the abuse. And this makes her see the feminine as weakness.

So, it would likely need to be both.

But if she were to try integrate her feminine side without integrating her masculine side, it wouldn’t work out.

And this is because she would be reclaiming the Divine Feminine qualities of receptivity and vulnerability… and meanwhile she has an exploitative, abusive, and tyrannical inner man running amok in her psyche.

So the more feminine she becomes, the more receptive to the inner abuse she will be.

Because of this, she’d be wise to either begin with integrating the inner opposite… or do both simultaneously.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Emerald

[Emerald]

30 minutes ago, SamC said:

I'm curious about your POW on this.

Could it be that woman here are acquainted with the shadow masculine and that the guys are acquainted with the shadow feminine? If not, what's the difference between the two forms of masculinity when it comes to the gals on the forum? ( shadow and "normal" familiarity with the masculine)

@Emerald

Normal familiarity with the masculine side means that the woman has integrated the capacity to get a big picture perspective and to articulate the insights derived from that perspective in a logical manner.

It is also the integration of the Divine Masculine qualities of principled action, non-reactivity, critical thinking, autonomy, rationality, precise articulation, emotional mastery, ambition, life-purpose, goal-setting, results orientation, healthy boundaries, and direction. 

But with Shadow Masculine possession, this includes hyper-competitive behavior, internalized misogyny, controlling behavior, black and white thinking, passive aggressive behavior, spiritual/intellectual bypassing, being domineering, etc.

If you’re familiar with the show, think of the character Helga Pataki from “Hey Arnold!”

She’s a great example of what the possessive masculine looks like.

The possessive masculine is always there to protect the vulnerable feminine in lieu of healthy masculine integration.

But where the integrated masculine creates a healthy boundary, the possessive masculine creates 10-feet tall steel walls with razor wire at the top. 

But the thing to understand about this forum context, is that a person would have to be somewhat acquainted with the masculine to line up here.

What I find is that, on this forum, there is an abundance of masculine integration with the men and women alike. Maybe one or two of the women on here really show signs of masculine possession. 

But a great many of the men on here lack feminine integration. And this leads to Shadow Feminine behaviors like cattiness, pettiness, lack of direction, lack of motivation, jealousy towards women, obsession with social status, and passivity towards life.

And of course, this interferes with the masculine side as well.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Emerald

[Gesundheit2]

@Emerald I think masculine and feminine started out originally as social constructs, as a form of division of labor. But then disintegration happened later on because concepts cannot encapsulate God because God is larger than the concepts. And up until now it's been a snowball effect of disintegration. Chains of reactions going back and forth between men and women without an end. Men abusing women, and women abusing men. Furthermore, men started abusing men and women started abusing women as well. Who started all that? The social construct.

Just like money, it isn't an inherent part of God. It started out as a way (idea/construct) to exchange value in an abstract way. But then later, people started accumulating it, and that caused disintegration, which snowballed into poverty and crime and all the other problems in society.

Edited September 5, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Tudo]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

 

But a great many of the men on here lack feminine integration. And this leads to Shadow Feminine behaviors like cattiness, pettiness, lack of direction, lack of motivation, jealousy towards women, and passivity towards life.

 

Well, people here accused me of not integrating my feminine. But I'm a pretty results orientated person and I have a pretty clear direction in life, right now I'm working hard to save money and start my company, for example. I'm kind of confused.

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

 

But with Shadow Masculine possession, this includes hyper-competitive behavior, internalized misogyny, controlling behavior, black and white thinking, passive aggressive behavior, spiritual/intellectual bypassing, being domineering, etc.

 

Do you think I have a Shadow Masculine? How do I fix it?

[Tudo]

38 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

@Emerald I think masculine and feminine started out originally as social constructs, as a form of division of labor. But then disintegration happened later on because concepts cannot encapsulate God because God is larger than the concepts. And up until now it's been a snowball effect of disintegration. Chains of reactions going back and forth between men and women without an end. Men abusing women, and women abusing men. Furthermore, men started abusing men and women started abusing women as well. Who started all that? The social construct.

Just like money, it isn't an inherent part of God. It started out as a way (idea/construct) to exchange value in an abstract way. But then later, people started accumulating it, and that caused disintegration, which snowballed into poverty and crime and all the other problems in society.

I think it started due to reproduction necessities, because you can see this asymmetry on other animals too, and labor helped too.

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, Tudo said:

Well, people here accused me of not integrating my feminine. But I'm a pretty results orientated person and I have a pretty clear direction in life, right now I'm working hard to save money and start my company, for example. I'm kind of confused.

Do you think I have a Shadow Masculine? How do I fix it?

From reading your posts, I’d guess you have more Shadow Feminine as a result of a disintegrated feminine side.

So you’d need to integrate your feminine side.

Lots of guys think their issue is a problem with masculine integration, when it’s actually an issue with feminine integration.

[Tudo]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

From reading your posts, I’d guess you have more Shadow Feminine as a result of a disintegrated feminine side.

So you’d need to integrate your feminine side.

Lots of guys think their issue is a problem with masculine integration, when it’s actually an issue with feminine integration.

I understand. I will watch your videos about it.

[Windappreciator]

@Emerald What is my problem?

[Emerald]

43 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

@Emerald I think masculine and feminine started out originally as social constructs, as a form of division of labor. But then disintegration happened later on because concepts cannot encapsulate God because God is larger than the concepts. And up until now it's been a snowball effect of disintegration. Chains of reactions going back and forth between men and women without an end. Men abusing women, and women abusing men. Furthermore, men started abusing men and women started abusing women as well. Who started all that? The social construct.

Just like money, it isn't an inherent part of God. It started out as a way (idea/construct) to exchange value in an abstract way. But then later, people started accumulating it, and that caused disintegration, which snowballed into poverty and crime and all the other problems in society.

Masculine and feminine are the building blocks of this reality Matrix.

From a certain perspective, they are the 1s and 0s of the binary code that creates reality. And you can experience these subtle qualities directly with the development of sensitivity to them.

And it’s very often different from human notions around gender.

So masculine and feminine are not specifically linked to humanity or the sex/gender of any being. 

[Windappreciator]

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Masculine and feminine are the building blocks of this reality Matrix.

From a certain perspective, they are the 1s and 0s of the binary code that creates reality. And you can experience these subtle qualities directly with the development of sensitivity to them.

And it’s very often different from human notions around gender.

So masculine and feminine are not specifically linked to humanity or the sex/gender of any being. 

Radiation and Absorption?

Edited September 5, 2021 by Windappreciator

[Emerald]

7 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

@Emerald What is my problem?

How do you mean?

[Windappreciator]

1 minute ago, Emerald said:

How do you mean?

Well, whatever comes up to your mind by my posts, if you have read any.

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, Windappreciator said:

Well, whatever comes up to your mind by my posts, if you have read any.

I’ve read a few and nothing in particular stands out.

But the only reason why I could guess from a post if a person is disintegrated with their feminine side is because most people have this issue in some degree and there are really obvious tell-tale signs.

[Surfingthewave]

12 hours ago, Emerald said:

Masculine and feminine are not just social constructs. Though there are notions of masculinity and femininity that are purely a product of culture.

For example, the idea that pink is a feminine color is purely a social construct. Or the idea that women wear make up is purely a social construct.

But there is a consistency across cultures and eras with regard to the archetypal masculine and feminine… which supersedes but informs human gender.

And this consistency comes about because, on one level, all things in the cosmos is an interplay between Yin and Yang which are two polar subtle qualities. And the way human beings most readily understand Yin and Yang is through the archetypal masculine and feminine.

I used to believe that masculinity and femininity were just social constructs, until I had some awakenings where I was sensitive enough to pick up on these qualities.

A good rule of thumb to understand the nature of the masculine and feminine is to look at its associated elements.

The masculine is more akin to the elements air and fire. The masculine has no substance on its own but can enact itself upon substances and have a transformative effect.

The feminine is more akin to the elements of Earth and water. And so, the feminine has substance but no transformation without something acting upon it. And the overwhelming energy of the Earth is feminine, which is reflected universally in all cultures.

The qualities of the masculine include intellect, ambition, movement, and the tendency of human beings to transform Mother Nature to fit its needs and whims.

The qualities of the feminine include emotion, acceptance, stillness, and the tendency of human beings to accept and respect the workings of Mother Nature.

And you’ll notice that this doesn’t have a lot to do with human gender. The masculine and feminine are not primarily concerned with the gender expressions humanity… though this does impact that domain just as it impacts all domains.

Why should qualities of the masculine/feminine be certain? You appear to be continuing gender assumptions through your list of traits. I understand your point about Yin and Yan and associated elements however I think we look to justify opposites through dualism in masculinity /femininity which has come about through our upbringing and culture and it runs far deeper than make up and colours.

The more awakenings one has the more the dualism traits are broken down. I'm not sure I agree about masculine /feminine energies - we are one source consciousness ultimately. When we individually go to the place of our identity, in meditation for example, depending on our gender, we are aware that this place does not exist. We objectify gender expression as we do relationships etc as a way of perpetuating the illusion of self. 

Energies of masculinity /femininity are just perceived as being more rigid and separate by our cultures and backgrounds. Be careful not to perpetuate the separateness in your work. 

@Jacob Morres Thanks and good for you, looks like you'll be having  authentic and genuine relationships going forward. 

 

 

 

Edited September 6, 2021 by Surfingthewave

[Gesundheit2]

6 hours ago, Emerald said:

Masculine and feminine are the building blocks of this reality Matrix.

From a certain perspective, they are the 1s and 0s of the binary code that creates reality. And you can experience these subtle qualities directly with the development of sensitivity to them.

And it’s very often different from human notions around gender.

So masculine and feminine are not specifically linked to humanity or the sex/gender of any being. 

I agree, but that's not what I meant.

I meant, originally, we didn't have a concept/label of masculine and feminine, even though they existed as polarities in the universe and within us. We were completely ignorant of them, and therefore in a state of full expression and integration. There was no demonization or suppression of either, until our ancestors decided to.

What created lack of expression and in result caused disintegration was the social construct. All of our problems began right there, with the birth of the mind.

Right now, we're only trying to reintegrate the mess our ancestors created.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Surfingthewave said:

Why should qualities of the masculine/feminine be certain? You appear to be continuing gender assumptions through your list of traits. I understand your point about Yin and Yan and associated elements however I think we look to justify opposites through dualism in masculinity /femininity which has come about through our upbringing and culture and it runs far deeper than make up and colours.

The more awakenings one has the more the dualism traits are broken down. I'm not sure I agree about masculine /feminine energies - we are one source consciousness ultimately. When we individually go to the place of our identity, in meditation for example, depending on our gender, we are aware that this place does not exist. We objectify gender expression as we do relationships etc as a way of perpetuating the illusion of self. 

Energies of masculinity /femininity are just perceived as being more rigid and separate by our cultures and backgrounds. Be careful not to perpetuate the separateness in your work. 

@Jacob Morres Thanks and good for you, looks like you'll be having  authentic and genuine relationships going forward. 

I can only tell you what I've experienced. The masculine and feminine is a reality that can be experienced phenomenologically as I have experienced it myself.

And I experienced feminine energy the first time at age 20 when a very strongly held conviction of mine was that the masculine and feminine were just an invention of culture. But when I experienced it, it didn't resemble cultural ideas of the feminine. It was just a feminine feeling and that was the only word that fit. It was in me and the night sky and all the plants around me. 

But in terms of qualities being feminine/masculine, there are pure social constructs like the ones that I mentioned. Like pink being for girls and that kind of thing. There's no truth there. It's just culture. And these social constructs actually keep a person's natural energies squelched. 

But there are universal feminine and masculine archetypes that are consistent across many cultures and eras. And this comes from people noticing these polar energies in regard to certain objects and phenomena. 

In most cultures and eras, the Earth is associated with the feminine. Even the word for matter in most languages is a derivative of the word for mother. And deities of the sky are usually masculine. 

And furthermore this is a very important insight for all people to understand... especially those who are looking to upend and not perpetuate patriarchal structures.

If a person doesn't recognize that there's a reality to the masculine and feminine, they can unintentionally add to the anti-feminine biases... simply by not knowing what archetypal qualities are masculine and feminine. A person may not realize how biased toward the masculine they truly are.

For example, a person who has the mindset that maintaining societal structures is more important than the cycles of the Earth is engaging in a patriarchal mindset.

A person who believes that the intellect is more important the emotions is engaging in a patriarchal mindset.

A person who sees the physical world as unimportant and something to be transcended and exalts the spiritual life above all is engaging in a patriarchal mindset.

A person who values doing over being is engaging in a patriarchal mindset.

And if you notice, none of these directly have to do with human gender. A woman can engage in patriarchal mindsets just as much as a man can.

Patriarchy really just denotes a social structure where the populace sees archetypal masculine qualities as superior to archetypal feminine qualities... and the system that results from this collective masculine bias creates all manner of issues from climate change to hegemony of every stripe. 

So not only is an awareness of the masculine and feminine not regressive.

It is actually 100% necessary to effectively make progress on all the things that people on the left generally favor.

Progress at its deepest root is all about bringing Yin and Yang into integration in our society, so that we can live harmoniously with the Earth. But with all the masculine bias that modern culture has, we have become disconnected from the Earth and cancerous. And we would be wise to learn about the archetypal masculine and feminine, so that we can see the ways we add to this issue.

Edited September 6, 2021 by Emerald

[Gesundheit2]

19 minutes ago, Emerald said:

masculine bias

 

On 04/09/2021 at 9:36 PM, Emerald said:

The Masculine and Feminine ALWAYS go Together.

Contradiction?

[Windappreciator]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

I’ve read a few and nothing in particular stands out.

But the only reason why I could guess from a post if a person is disintegrated with their feminine side is because most people have this issue in some degree and there are really obvious tell-tale signs.

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

 

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[RickyFitts]

On 9/4/2021 at 7:36 PM, Emerald said:

I’ve noticed through my interactions on the forum that there are many misconceptions about masculinity, femininity, and polarity in general.

And I notice that it backfires on a lot of the guys on here. So, I’m going to share an insight to help clear some things up.

The insight is that the feminine and masculine always go together. They are two sides to one coin and they always occur together in all living and non-living systems.

So, to engage in systems thinking, we are wise to recognize the interplay between the masculine and feminine.

All systems, including the system that is the human personality, have the masculine and feminine. And the masculine and feminine are always joined.

And because of this, we can’t repress one side without diminishing the strength and efficacy of the other.

So it’s counter-intuitive, but a man who wants to get more in touch with his masculinity will not be able to do so if he’s in resistance to his feminine side.

And this is because all masculine qualities have many feminine components.

Here’s an example…

Let’s say that a man wants to develop his leadership skills and personal sovereignty.

Overall, if we paint with broad strokes, these qualities of leadership and personal sovereignty are masculine principled qualities.

But the thing to realize about personal sovereignty is that it requires us to be deeply in touch with our emotions to know what we want and don’t want, what we like and don’t like, and what we stand for and what we don’t stand for. 

So, it is literally impossible to be in your own personal sovereignty AND be out of touch with your own emotions. Your emotions are the root of your sovereignty.

And emotions are, in broad strokes, a feminine principled domain.

So, in this instance and many others, connection to the feminine is a prerequisite for getting in touch with certain elements of the masculine. And without developing a healthy relationship to the feminine, certain aspects of the masculine simply won’t be able to be expressed.

The feminine is the soil that masculinity grows from and vice versa.

So, the feminine and the masculine always go together. And you can’t exalt one while resisting the other.

This is so good, I love this - thanks for sharing!  It brings to mind a quote by Carl Jung that I saw recently which really resonated with me: 

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You can hardly say of your soul what sex it is. But if you pay close attention, you will see that the most masculine man has a feminine soul, and the most feminine woman a masculine soul.