I Know What Death Is

[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, Vladimir said:

Death is the Devil

Death is Hell

Death is Separation

Death is the source of all fear, suffering and evil

Should have been obvious.....Death is the opposite of life

Voila!

Change death for ego

[Vladimir]

Sigh....

Just ask yourself these simple questions without getting too philosophical:

What does it mean to feel dead?

and

What does it mean to feel alive?

Examples of death: people suffering from depression, anxiety, alcoholism, drug addiction, people in mental hospitals, obesity/over-eating, social anxiety, murderers, suicidal thoughts, psychopaths, people that can't live without pharma pills, Internet addictions - games, porn, social media....

Examples of life: happy kids playing in the playground, laughter, joy, love, happiness, feeling safe, community, healthy family bonds, a sense of belonging, unity, real friends, loving your craft and aligning with life purpose

In this world, middle earth, there is nobody who is completely alive or completely dead. To fully die is to be in hell, to fully become alive is to awaken to paradise. What prevents all people to fully become alive is the fear of death. When people die a physical death, they are still alive and the level at which a person is dead or alive will determine their re-incarnation journey.

[RMQualtrough]

15 hours ago, Eternity said:

@Vladimir  Death is not real.  If you are a materialist, that statement will sound crazy. Long ago I would have said what you are saying.  But you still have consciousness even though to others you may appear lifeless.  All that we term as death is just consciousness having switched to another story, but consciousness still carries on.  There is no hell, satan, or separation from the divine consciousness.  We cannot be separated from who we are.  We are representations of Life and Life is who and what we are.  Nothing can change Life to the absence of life (called death), as life is unchangeable except we ourselves choose to change.  As Life is Love, there is no capability for creation of destructive forces.  The world that now appears is only an imaginary phenomenon.

But consciousness is like, not you? It is you but I mean, when you reduce mind back to void (which IS what we experience as consciousness), what continues that you will know of?

It seems that what continues is as much you as I am you.

From a first person perspective it's hard to figure out what it will be like. If the last moment of our life ends then a new moment begins with """our""" consciousness.

It is very hard to convey because classical reincarnation I do not think is how it works.

[Vladimir]

On 9/1/2021 at 11:51 PM, Eternity said:

@Vladimir  Death is not real.  If you are a materialist, that statement will sound crazy. Long ago I would have said what you are saying.  But you still have consciousness even though to others you may appear lifeless.  All that we term as death is just consciousness having switched to another story, but consciousness still carries on.  There is no hell, satan, or separation from the divine consciousness.  We cannot be separated from who we are.  We are representations of Life and Life is who and what we are.  Nothing can change Life to the absence of life (called death), as life is unchangeable except we ourselves choose to change.  As Life is Love, there is no capability for creation of destructive forces.  The world that now appears is only an imaginary phenomenon

Satan is very real - it's fear of death, if you have fear, you are creating Evil, you are evil, you are Satan. In Russian language the same word for Evil is the same word for Anger......(Zlo, Zlost') If you have fear, you are creating Evil, weather you want to or not, you're not living, you are surviving, you are creating Evil, you're not really Living.

 

 

 

Edited September 3, 2021 by Vladimir

[Vladimir]

The confusion is that everyone imagines "death" to be the event at the end of a "physical body death". That's not really death, the person is still alive at the end of their "physical death". Real death is here right now, it's the fear of death that keeps everyone asleep, to awaken to paradise is to conquer the fear of death.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

The confusion is that everyone imagines "death" to be the event at the end of a "physical body death". That's not really death, the person is still alive at the end of their "physical death". Real death is here right now, it's the fear of death that keeps everyone asleep, to awaken to paradise is to conquer the fear of death.

This is life and death simultaneously. The big bang and the big crunch -- timelessly. Death of the person is here right now, but the person isn't really there, so there is no death. Death is just the falling away of a belief of separation -- since most intuit the remainder of these falling away at the moment of bodily failure, that failure of the meatsuit is labelled by most as "death."

[Vladimir]

49 minutes ago, The0Self said:

This is life and death simultaneously. The big bang and the big crunch -- timelessly. Death of the person is here right now, but the person isn't really there, so there is no death. Death is just the falling away of a belief of separation -- since most intuit the remainder of these falling away at the moment of bodily failure, that failure of the meatsuit is labelled by most as "death."

Of course the person is here, where else could they be? "Death is just the falling away of a belief of separation" - no Death IS separation. You are separated right now, you are mostly dead. The moment you come alive is when you will know it. Life is unity, truth and love. Separation is death, fear, and suffering.

[The0Self]

6 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

Of course the person is here, where else could they be? "Death is just the falling away of a belief of separation" - no Death IS separation. You are separated right now, you are mostly dead. The moment you come alive is when you will know it. Life is unity, truth and love. Separation is death, fear, and suffering.

When the experience/filter of separation falls away, the body can hardly take the massive increase in lively energy. But that's because there's no person left in the body, using "my body" as a vehicle to obtain meaning and happiness from "things" which are separate from "me."

[Someone here]

Stop fooling yourself. You don't know what death is until you actually physically die. 

[The0Self]

Just now, Someone here said:

Stop fooling yourself. You don't know what death is until you actually physically die. 

 He still won't know it. There is no death in that sense. If someone dies and knows it, they aren't dead. If someone dies and doesn't know it, they aren't anything, including dead. They are only dead in the story from another's pov. Death is another word for the-unknowable-as-separate, but life is already unknowable. Death is separation, and there isn't any separation.

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, The0Self said:

There is no death in that sense.

Don't be delusional. Clearly physical death exists. 

What happens if you shoot yourself in the head?  

[The0Self]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What happens if you shoot yourself in the head?  

The body would cease to function of course.

[Someone here]

10 minutes ago, The0Self said:

The body would cease to function of course.

Aka. Death.

[The0Self]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Aka. Death.

Ah I see. When I said "in that sense" I was simply referring to death being unknowable. I wasn't saying bodies can't seem to die (lol). They still don't actually die though, since that would be a story/imagination about what's happening. And there isn't an exclusively real happening in the first place.

Edited September 7, 2021 by The0Self

[Vladimir]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

Don't be delusional. Clearly physical death exists. 

What happens if you shoot yourself in the head?  

Of course physical death exists. What I'm trying to say is that physical death is not Death Death lol. It's a transition, re-incarnation.....Think about the worst case scenario of a human being who is suffering - (eg: drug addict at Skid Row), THAT is real death. Now think of someone who is relatively happy - who is the most alive person that you have ever met? That's life! Ta-da! 

[The0Self]

33 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

Think about the worst case scenario of a human being who is suffering - (eg: drug addict at Skid Row), THAT is real death

THAT too, is wholeness; freedom; infinity

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Vladimir said:

Think about the worst case scenario of a human being who is suffering - (eg: drug addict at Skid Row), THAT is real death.

On 2/9/2021 at 6:23 AM, Vladimir said:

 

That have the same meaning than a mother hugging her baby: none. All is empty, the meaning is ego, software. A torturer of the middle ages in action is the same love as jesus. mmm I was seeing it very clear, obvious, and now it has been veiled. a voice tells me, it can't be, there is good and bad. But I know it's my ego that hates meaninglessness .reality is neutral. the good thing is that reality is glory. but neutral

 

[The0Self]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That have the same meaning than a mother hugging her baby: none. All is empty, the meaning is ego, software. A torturer of the middle ages in action is the same love as jesus. mmm I was seeing it very clear, obvious, and now it has been veiled. a voice tells me, it can't be, there is good and bad. But I know it's my ego that hates meaninglessness .reality is neutral. the good thing is that reality is glory. but neutral

 

Yep. It's not even that life is perfect. It's that life doesn't need to be perfect. Thus, it is whole and complete already. With no other anyway.

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, The0Self said:

Ah I see. When I said "in that sense" I was simply referring to death being unknowable. I wasn't saying bodies can't seem to die (lol). They still don't actually die though, since that would be a story/imagination about what's happening. And there isn't an exclusively real happening in the first place.

Now you are just getting weird about a simple phenomenon.  Death is real. Yes or no?  Stop splitting hairs and creating imaginary distinctions (actually vs seemingly). Or you ego  can't accept the fact that you are a mere mortal? 

 

[The0Self]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Now you are just getting weird about a simple phenomenon.  Death is real. Yes or no?  Stop splitting hairs and creating imaginary distinctions (actually vs seemingly). Or you ego  can't accept the fact that you are a mere mortal? 

 

There is no ego (if you mean "I") here. Just saying. There's just what seems to be happening. There was the illusion of a life, which was an unbreakable illusion because it wasn't there in the first place to be broken. And when it's recognized (by no one, I'm afraid) that it was never there, all that's left is what seems to be happening. Life does not care. It doesn't need to care. So when you refer to death of the body, all I can say about that is that it's what seems to be happening. As in it's not really happening. The only one who would need that to happen is me, so I can go on believing I have a life now -- there's something called death in the future but what I have now is life. As if life actually has some need for that -- it's complete as itself.

Did that clear it up?

Edited September 8, 2021 by The0Self