What if Infinity is the same as the materialist paradigm?

[Javfly33]

What if all this Infinity shit is a creation/story of the ego to not feel Alone and do as other people and places exist apart from the present moment?

Just as the materialist paradigm.

Basically Infinity is the materialist paradigm But for new agers/people Who pursue "Enlightment", do Psychedelics, meditate, etc.

Of course Im not saying Infinity is a fraud, Im just saying, the similarities are...really suspicious. ?

[WaveInTheOcean]

29 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

What if all this Infinity shit is a creation/story of the ego to not feel Alone and do as other people and places exist apart from the present moment?

Just as the materialist paradigm.

Basically Infinity is the materialist paradigm But for new agers/people Who pursue "Enlightment", do Psychedelics, meditate, etc.

Of course Im not saying Infinity is a fraud, Im just saying, the similarities are...really suspicious. ?

"all this inifnity shit" is a langauge-game. a story.

The finger pointing to the moon isn't the moon.

What's >>>there<<< *just* 'before' the automatic reaction of formulating a conceptual answer when you ask yourself the question "Who am I?" or "What is occuring now?" ..... What's beyond langauge? What's before words, thoughts, distinctions, meanings, belief-concepts?
 

Why do you havea to classify everything into categories?  Are you afraind of the 'pure blank openness' staring right back at ya, if you yourself allow yourself to be fully open; 'doing without thinking' ???

<3

Listen. Not to yourself or anyone in particular.
Just listen. Listen real close. Really listen.

Edited August 31, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[Javfly33]

@WaveInTheOcean yeah i mean I've seen that But i Dont know What It is. Dont know why i would call It "Infinity"

[Gesundheit2]

Then you did not waste money on VR porn.

[Blackhawk]

38 minutes ago, WaveInTheOcean said:

"all this inifnity shit" is a langauge-game. a story.

The finger pointing to the moon isn't the moon.

What's >>>there<<< *just* 'before' the automatic reaction of formulating a conceptual answer when you ask yourself the question "Who am I?" or "What is occuring now?" ..... What's beyond langauge? What's before words, thoughts, distinctions, meanings, belief-concepts?
 

Why do you havea to classify everything into categories?  Are you afraind of the 'pure blank openness' staring right back at ya, if you yourself allow yourself to be fully open; 'doing without thinking' ???

<3

Listen. Not to yourself or anyone in particular.
Just listen. Listen real close. Really listen.

The fact that you link to a freaking music video indicates that there's a high probability that you're just driven by emotions and are doing mental gymnastics and wishful thinking.

I could be wrong though.

[Breakingthewall]

23 minutes ago, Moksha said:

. It is only directly realized, and nothing anyone tells you will have much meaning until you realize it for yourself.

How did you have that realization? or is it something you access on a daily basis? I know it wasn't through psychedelics, so it will be meditation. could you explain?

[Moksha]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How did you have that realization? or is it something you access on a daily basis? I know it wasn't through psychedelics, so it will be meditation. could you explain?

If you haven't read it yet, I highly recommend the Bhagavad Gita. It is one of the best Self-help books. Take your time with it, Consciously contemplate it, and savor it as sustenance for the soul. You will not only see, but be guided, toward the path of Self-realization.

Good people come to worship me for different reasons. Some come to the spiritual life because of suffering, some in order to understand life; some come through a desire to achieve life’s purpose, and some come who are men and women of wisdom. Unwavering in devotion, always united with me, the man or woman of wisdom surpasses all the others…the wise who are always established in union, for whom there is no higher goal than me, may be regarded as my very Self…seeing me everywhere and in everything. Such great souls are very rare.

- Bhagavad Gita 7:16-19

In my case, the foundation was an alloy of contemplation, renunciation, selfless service, devotion, and above all, sincere commitment to truth. It took decades of living, but that was only the foundation. The catalyst for building the house itself was suffering. Without it, I don't believe I would have been willing to let go of the ledge of certainty, and fall into the abyss of the Self.

Now, meditation is my mainstay. It is one thing to see, and another to continue seeing, despite the turbulence of life that threatens to drag you back into the undercurrent of the conditioned mind. I didn't meditate before awakening. I meditate now, daily, to maintain the sleepless state of presence. Never thought of myself as a meditator, but what a gift it has been.

[Breakingthewall]

@Moksha Thanks for sharing. Yeah, i think meditation is the key , stop doing and be

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Moksha Thanks for sharing. Yeah, i think meditation is the key , stop doing and be

Nothing that I thinks will work because I is the problem.

THERE ISN'T AN I

I will endlessly run in circles trying to find something.

❤

[Moksha]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@Moksha Thanks for sharing. Yeah, i think meditation is the key , stop doing and be

⚡ Meditation can awaken, according to the sages. I can't speak to that, only to the value of meditation in helping you stay awake. Either way, meditate ?

[This]

5 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What if all this Infinity shit is a creation/story of the ego to not feel Alone and do as other people and places exist apart from the present moment?

Just as the materialist paradigm.

Basically Infinity is the materialist paradigm But for new agers/people Who pursue "Enlightment", do Psychedelics, meditate, etc.

Of course Im not saying Infinity is a fraud, Im just saying, the similarities are...really suspicious. ?

I feel that words like "infinity" and "enlightenment" and "consciousness" are just empty buzzwords. Of course it depends on the context.

And meditation for me is like regular sitting except there are stories in the head about meditation and about observing thoughts and how quiet my mind is. 

[impulse9]

Everything we talk about is bullshit. The things we speak, write, and read about are nothing more than mouth noises, and scribbles of symbols. They are meaningless. Truth is far more interesting and expansive than our primitive language can ever hope to describe. So when you hear words like "infinity" or "enlightenment", you need to be very well aware of the nature of this. The words are meaningless symbols. The thing the words ultimately point to, is the real thing.

[The0Self]

Something would need to exist outside of everything for there to be a limitation on it, which is by definition not possible.

The map is not the territory anyway though.

There’s no ultimate limit and in fact it is inconceivable that there is one unless you just ignore the word ultimate.

[VeganAwake]

Everything is just Everything.

Relativity & Infinity is the same, it just seems different from a dualistic subject-object perspective.

The map IS also the territory.... and the finger pointing to the moon are all included within this everything.

When it's recognized that the individual looking out of those eyes is just an illusion of the mind and not a real entity..... no separation or non-duality is recognized for the first time.

There simply cannot be any real separation when the individual is clearly seen to be unreal.

❤

 

Edited September 1, 2021 by VeganAwake

[WaveInTheOcean]

7 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@WaveInTheOcean yeah i mean I've seen that But i Dont know What It is. Dont know why i would call It "Infinity"

It's not something to see, not something to perceive. It's a direct realization: a shift in consciousness. If you don't know you would call reality infinite, then there are still many realizations to be had, luckily ⛅

[WaveInTheOcean]

7 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

The fact that you link to a freaking music video indicates that there's a high probability that you're just driven by emotions

I'm driven by emotions, yes, thank God ?

Why would anyone resist anything that's arising, when Reality is 'just' an (immensely beautiful) game We'are playing with Ourselves as The Infinite/God appearing as 'this' ?

??????

Savor the ride. Feel. See. Listen.✨?

express instead of depress???

Live???

Edited September 1, 2021 by WaveInTheOcean

[RMQualtrough]

20 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

What if all this Infinity shit is a creation/story of the ego to not feel Alone and do as other people and places exist apart from the present moment?

Just as the materialist paradigm.

Basically Infinity is the materialist paradigm But for new agers/people Who pursue "Enlightment", do Psychedelics, meditate, etc.

Of course Im not saying Infinity is a fraud, Im just saying, the similarities are...really suspicious. ?

Well it's not the best idea, since it is literally completely 100% impossible in infinity years for a materialist ontology to explain all of reality.

You'd have to be able to do paradoxical things like see without seeing. The hard problem of consciousness and mind-body problem etc. isn't just hard, it's completely impossible.

Only awareness (in actuality, void) first can entirely explain all of reality since it encompasses everything including the mechanistic material universe. It can explain reality entirely which materialism never will be able to.

Edited September 1, 2021 by RMQualtrough

[Willie]

If infinity can be explained through any paradigm at all, it isn’t infinity.