Naruto Classic + Naruto Shippuden -> Spiral Dynamics Stages

[Michiryoku]

SPOILER ALERT for Naruto Classic and for Naruto Shippuden (episode 1 - episode 60)

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?-im only 50% sure about my claim

 

Keep in mind this is just for fun.

If you have anything to add comment and i will edit my post.

Esspecially on characters where i'm only 50% sure about my claim.

 

Stage Purple:

• Uchiha Clan (deceased)

               (makes sense since Itachi was stage red and so they despised each other leading in Itachi killing the clan)

 

• Hyuuga Clan (organisation)
•     Hiashi Hyuuga [Hyuuga Clan & Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Red:

• Akatsuki (organisation) (world conquest yadiyada) (enjoying torture)

•     Hidan [Akatsuki] (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Kisame [Akatsuki](probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Itachi? (he killed his own family) [Akatsuki]

•     Sasori [Akatsuki]
•     Deidara? [Akatsuki]

 

• Orochimaru

•     Sasuke (after joining Orochimaru) [Orochimaru]

•     Kabuto [Orochimaru]
•     Hidden Village of the Sound [Orochimaru]

 

• Gaara [Hidden Village of the Sand]

               (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

               (only until the end of Naruto Classic)

               (talking about his life purpose being to kill everyone)

 

• Hidden Village Of The Mist (organisation)

               (only before the reform (used to make their young shinobi kill each other as a last step to become a higher level shinobi))

 

• bandit tribes/villages (organisation)

 

Stage Blue:

• Anbu (organisation)
•     Sai [Anbu]

 

• Hidden Village of the Sand (organisation)
•     Gaara? [Hidden Village of the Sand] (after having insight)
•         Kankurou? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•         Temari? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•     Chiyo [Hidden Village of the Sand]

 

Stage Orange:

• Sasuke [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

               (before joining Orochimaru)

• Naruto [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Sakura [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Rock Lee [Hidden village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Green:

• Hidden Village Of The Leafs? (organisation)
•     Hinata [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Shikamaru? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Asuma Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Iruka Umino [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Kakashi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Yellow:

• Hokage Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs] (deceased)

Edited August 31, 2021 by Michiryoku

[Ilan]

Hahaha 

[Ilan]

You made lots of mistake to me though

[Michiryoku]

What mistakes did i make? Im very interested

[Michiryoku]

On 3.9.2021 at 1:19 AM, Ilan said:

You made lots of mistake to me though

Wich mistakes? Im very interested

[Windappreciator]

Hopefully it's not demoralising, but I don't think many people here watch Naruto.

[Michiryoku]

11 hours ago, Windappreciator said:

Hopefully it's not demoralising, but I don't think many people here watch Naruto.

That would be a shame. Such a wasted chance to not watch it.

[Michiryoku]

On 31.8.2021 at 8:25 PM, Michiryoku said:

SPOILER ALERT for Naruto Classic and for Naruto Shippuden (episode 1 - episode 60)

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()-description

?-im only 50% sure about my claim

 

Keep in mind this is just for fun.

If you have anything to add comment and i will edit my post.

Esspecially on characters where i'm only 50% sure about my claim.

 

Stage Purple:

• Uchiha Clan (deceased)

               (makes sense since Itachi was stage red and so they despised each other leading in Itachi killing the clan)

 

• Hyuuga Clan (organisation)
•     Hiashi Hyuuga [Hyuuga Clan & Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Red:

• Akatsuki (organisation) (world conquest yadiyada) (enjoying torture)

•     Hidan [Akatsuki] (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Kisame [Akatsuki](probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Itachi? (he killed his own family) [Akatsuki]

•     Sasori [Akatsuki]
•     Deidara? [Akatsuki]

 

• Orochimaru

•     Sasuke (after joining Orochimaru) [Orochimaru]

•     Kabuto [Orochimaru]
•     Hidden Village of the Sound [Orochimaru]

 

• Gaara [Hidden Village of the Sand]

               (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

               (only until the end of Naruto Classic)

               (talking about his life purpose being to kill everyone)

 

• Hidden Village Of The Mist (organisation)

               (only before the reform (used to make their young shinobi kill each other as a last step to become a higher level shinobi))

 

• bandit tribes/villages (organisation)

 

Stage Blue:

• Anbu (organisation)
•     Sai [Anbu]

 

• Hidden Village of the Sand (organisation)
•     Gaara? [Hidden Village of the Sand] (after having insight)
•         Kankurou? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•         Temari? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•     Chiyo [Hidden Village of the Sand]

 

Stage Orange:

• Sasuke [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

               (before joining Orochimaru)

• Naruto [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Sakura [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Rock Lee [Hidden village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Green:

• Hidden Village Of The Leafs? (organisation)
•     Hinata [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Shikamaru? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Asuma Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Iruka Umino [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Kakashi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Yellow:

• Hokage Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs] (deceased)

@Michiryoku Nagato (Pain?) [Akatsuki] added to Stage purple with some aspects in blue and green.

Edited November 5, 2021 by Michiryoku

[Michiryoku]

On 6.11.2021 at 2:53 AM, Something Funny said:

@Michiryoku cool thread but I think I don't really agree with how you placed everyone.

Here is my opinion:

1. Both Hyuuga and Uchiha clans should be stage blue. They are all about family traditions, honour, and other stage blue values. They are not tribal at all. Also, Uchiha were literally Konoha's police force.

2. I agree that Akatsuki are mostly stage red, BUT:

- Itachi is stage green / somewhat yellow. He is similar to Nagato, but more mentally stable I guess. He killed his family and joined Akatsuki because from his point of view it was the best thing he could do for Konoha to maintain peace. He really was driven into the corner there. The other option would be to allow a bloodshed between them which could have destroyed the village. He was also an Anbu member and you yourself classified anbu as blue. However, I think that Itachi is past stage blue since he was more or less independent from his family's influence and could think on his own. Throughout most of the series he was one of the smartest and strategic characters (stage yellow trait): helping to maintain peace in the village while saving his brothers life, planting his crow into Naruto in the beginning of the shippuden, playing Akatsuki, getting out of Kabuto's control and then cancelling edo tensei. 

- Kabuto and orochimaru are stage orange mad scientist archetype in my opinion.

3. Kankuro, Temari, and Gaara (post attack on Konoha) are stage orange. They didn't really have stage blue's close mindedness and blind dedication to their nation. They still had to obey higher apps but they did so from a more pragmatic stage orange perspective (it's the best thing for us to do) vs from an ideological perspective.

4. Hidden leaf village is just as stage blue as a sand village. 

5. Hinata, Asuma, Shikamaru, and Kakashi are stage orange.

6. Iruka is classical stage blue in my opinion.

7. I don't think Sarutobi is Yellow, he is just wise stage blue. He could have run the village in a much better way if he was yellow, but he was too myopic and close-minded and caused a lot of issues because of that. He is partly responsible for the way Orochimaru turned out to be and for the Uchiha genocide. Don't forget, he wasn't really opposed to Danzo. Sure, they disagreed on some things but in general he was overseeing root's actions and just allowed them to do the dirty work basically.

8. It's tricky with characters like Sasuke, Gaara, Obito, and Nagato. They are not really stage red per say, it's just that they were super traumatised and forced to act in a more cruel and low consciousness ways. Kind of like school shooters. As I understand it, stage red is an independent stage with its own values and believes vs stage orange downgrade because of trauma. Kisame or kakuzu are perfect pure stage red examples. They are just the way they are and are perfectly aligned with being that way. While for Nagato, Obito, Sasuke, and Gaara there is an internal conflict. It's like they know that they are wrong and what they are doing is not aligned with their true values, but they push it all away because of all the hatred inside of them. That's also the reason why Naruto's "talk talk no jutsu" could work on them. There is no way Naruto could talk Kakuzu into becoming a good guy.

Nagato before meeting Naruto was traumatised toxic green I guess, and afterwards became normal stage green. I don't see any purple or blue in him.

Also, you have to remember that Naruto is a Shonen manga and I doubt that author intended it to be that deep when it comes to social dynamics and consciousness levels. So most of the characters will have stage orange values by default even if it wouldn't really make sense in real world.

And mangaka himself seems to be stage orange, so it would probably be very hard if not impossible for him to create proper stage yellow or even stage green characters.

All the spirituality in Naruto is basically traditional Japanese religious traditions transformed by stage orange to look more dope and suit pop culture:

- Asuma's buddha technique (whatever it was called)
- Sage of the six paths
- Sage mode
- Will of fire
- Tailed beasts
- The theme of sacrificing yourself for the sake of others which is prevalent throughout the whole series

On 31.8.2021 at 8:25 PM, Michiryoku said:

SPOILER ALERT for Naruto Classic and for Naruto Shippuden (episode 1 - episode 60)

[]-part of

()-description

?-im only 50% sure about my claim

 

Keep in mind this is just for fun.

If you have anything to add comment and i will edit my post.

Esspecially on characters where i'm only 50% sure about my claim.

 

Stage Purple:

• Uchiha Clan (deceased)

               (makes sense since Itachi was stage red and so they despised each other leading in Itachi killing the clan)

 

• Hyuuga Clan (organisation)
•     Hiashi Hyuuga [Hyuuga Clan & Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Red:

• Akatsuki (organisation) (world conquest yadiyada) (enjoying torture)

•     Hidan [Akatsuki] (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Kisame [Akatsuki](probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

•     Itachi? (he killed his own family) [Akatsuki]

•     Sasori [Akatsuki]
•     Deidara? [Akatsuki]

 

• Orochimaru

•     Sasuke (after joining Orochimaru) [Orochimaru]

•     Kabuto [Orochimaru]
•     Hidden Village of the Sound [Orochimaru]

 

• Gaara [Hidden Village of the Sand]

               (probably 90% stage red, almost the definition of stage red)

               (only until the end of Naruto Classic)

               (talking about his life purpose being to kill everyone)

 

• Hidden Village Of The Mist (organisation)

               (only before the reform (used to make their young shinobi kill each other as a last step to become a higher level shinobi))

 

• bandit tribes/villages (organisation)

 

Stage Blue:

• Anbu (organisation)
•     Sai [Anbu]

 

• Hidden Village of the Sand (organisation)
•     Gaara? [Hidden Village of the Sand] (after having insight)
•         Kankurou? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•         Temari? [Gaara & Hidden Village of the Sand]
•     Chiyo [Hidden Village of the Sand]

 

Stage Orange:

• Sasuke [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

               (before joining Orochimaru)

• Naruto [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Sakura [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
• Rock Lee [Hidden village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Green:

• Hidden Village Of The Leafs? (organisation)
•     Hinata [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Shikamaru? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Asuma Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Iruka Umino [Hidden Village of the Leafs]
•     Kakashi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs]

 

Stage Yellow:

• Hokage Sarutobi? [Hidden Village of the Leafs] (deceased)

Itachi is stage blue or stage green since he tried to preserve peace.Poeple that were exposed to malevolence tend to be stage red.

[Karmadhi]

On 11/6/2021 at 2:53 AM, Something Funny said:

rochimaru are stage orange mad scientist archetype in my opinion.

Orochimaru is stage red man