Would like a more detailed take on what happens after physical death (pref by Leo)

[BlackPhil]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

According to non-duality, experiences of infinity with psychedelics, I would say what they have pointed out above. this life is only appearance, reality is infinite, you are infinite now and you will continue to be. Nothing is going to happen and nothing is happening now, but ... many mystics of all time speak of reincarnation. current shadguru for example, but many others, practically all. I would like to understand how, if we are not really separate beings, there is reincarnation. something tells me that it is so

Things are as they appear for you in your current state of consciousness. As long as you appear to yourself as a separate entity, that is whats real to you. It is an illusion from the ultimate perspective yes, but its foolish to neglect the illusion while still appearing to be stuck in it yourself as an ego. Some people (like in this thread) embrace nonduality intellectually and then threat everything that isnt the ultimate as irrelevant, even if they obviously are stuck in illusion themselves still, if they werent they wouldnt write like that in the first place.  It becomes an ego thing.

[Leo Gura]

@BlackPhil You are correct that even though the ultimate destination is Infinite Love/Godhead, that does not necessarily mean that everyone will go there directly. There could be many longer paths. It really depends on how conscious one is.

At the highest level of consciousness death simply does not exist and it never even happens. But at lower levels of consciousness it seems to happen and it could be followed by other dreams. So in practice not everyone who "dies" goes to Absolute Infinity. They might go down some rabbit hole of consciousness. And the rabbit holes of consciousness could be infinite in number.

[BlackPhil]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@BlackPhil You are correct that even though the ultimate destination is Infinite Love/Godhead, that does not necessarily mean that everyone will go there directly. There could be many longer paths. It really depends on how conscious one is.

At the highest level of consciousness death simply does not exist and it never even happens. But at lower levels of consciousness is seems to happen and it could be followed by other dreams.

Ah, thank you for the answer! I assumed that was your position aswell but I wanted to clarify. Then we are on the same page. Keep up the good content!

[Breakingthewall]

just intuition: you are here to evolve, you have a mission to fulfill, there is a huge orchestra and you are a part. you do your job, you contribute your part to evolution. you disappear. The pattern that you have built in your life serves as the basis for another pattern, that will continue your job. everything tends towards something, more complex, more perfect, and here we are weaving the fabric, fictional individuals with a mission. 

[billiesimon]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@BlackPhil You are correct that even though the ultimate destination is Infinite Love/Godhead, that does not necessarily mean that everyone will go there directly. There could be many longer paths. It really depends on how conscious one is.

At the highest level of consciousness death simply does not exist and it never even happens. But at lower levels of consciousness it seems to happen and it could be followed by other dreams. So in practice not everyone who "dies" goes to Absolute Infinity. They might go down some rabbit hole of consciousness. And the rabbit holes of consciousness could be infinite in number.

What? What do you mean?

Why should not a dead ego merge back in the singularity?
Once the false self disappears, your true identity should be clear to itself.

[PepperBlossoms]

my guess - you are already infinity. you don't have to die to become that.

the perspective taken on in your body as it is now will be gone but your body will go on to form other bodies and be part of their perspectives.

the body that you are in now has previously been a bunch of other bodies with other perspectives.

all the blood cells and hair cells and the perspectives that they currently have will be gone but they will go on to form something else.

a bug may eat you and you become part of that bug, the soil may eat you and you become part of the soil which then a plant eats you and you become part of the plant and then an animal eats you and you become part of the animal and then a human eats you and you become part of the human

infinity is hooked up to all the bodies at the same time constantly and each eye can only see out of each eye and is only aware of what its own eye can see. when the eye gets turned off, there are still all the other eyes seeing.  that eye turned off will go and become part of something for a new eye or other eyes.

death is birth is death is birth = change in arrangement = nothing is dead - nothing is alive  = everything is being and is nothing

all of reality is part of the same body

Edited August 30, 2021 by PepperBlossoms

[Blackhawk]

Beliefs..

Would be nice if you would admit it.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Blackhawk

[Godishere]

@Leo Gura  

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@BlackPhil At the highest level of consciousness death simply does not exist and it never even happens. But at lower levels of consciousness it seems to happen and it could be followed by other dreams. So in practice not everyone who "dies" goes to Absolute Infinity. They might go down some rabbit hole of consciousness. And the rabbit holes of consciousness could be infinite in number.

When you say "everyone", do you just mean You? Is the universe not just infinitely merging with the godhead and then reincarnating? So when you say "they" I presume you are talking relatively? Sorry just wanted to clear the confusion

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, Godishere said:

@Leo Gura  

When you say "everyone", do you just mean You? Is the universe not just infinitely merging with the godhead and then reincarnating? So when you say "they" I presume you are talking relatively? Sorry just wanted to clear the confusion

"Everyone", "they", "others" -- these are relative notions of course. These notions do not exist at the highest levels of consciousness, just as "death" does not.

At the level where death exists, others exist.

So you have to be careful here because these notions are not absolute and you have to pay attention to which level you're asking your questions from. It's a highly perspectival matter.

[Adamq8]

3 hours ago, billiesimon said:

What? What do you mean?

Why should not a dead ego merge back in the singularity?
Once the false self disappears, your true identity should be clear to itself.

Not necessarily, it is in a form of primordial agnosis that one wrongly identifies with the body, what you see in the mirror is what you believe is YOU.

But through the path of via negativa one transcends the psycho physical and come to gnosis about oneself.

So you can keep deluding yourself no matter what, ancient greek and indian metaphysics was all about transcendence and how one recognizes what you truly are, some call it nothing, some call it soul, some call it GOD.

 

 

[Godishere]

@Leo Gura  Yeah exactly. It gets confusing when we are conflating relative and Absolute and also switching between them. Although, it seems pointless to do this because ultimately they're the same thing?

Also, you said that consciousness can move on directly to another dream without reuniting with infinite consciousness. Isn't this just speculation?

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Godishere said:

@Leo Gura  Yeah exactly. It gets confusing when we are conflating relative and Absolute and also switching between them. Although, it seems pointless to do this because ultimately they're the same thing?

Confusing perhaps but not pointless.

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Also, you said that consciousness can move on directly to another dream without reuniting with infinite consciousness. Isn't this just speculation?

It's an educated intuition.

Not all knowledge can be direct consciousness. You cannot have 100% certainty about everything in this work. Science is often uncertain about things. There is no reason why consciousness could not dream a series of dreams back to back. This is highly likely.

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not all knowledge can be direct consciousness. You cannot have 100% certainty about everything in this work.

Shadguru and others says that they know about their past lifes

[James12345]

9 hours ago, BlackPhil said:

Im aware of this too. This thread is not about whats ultimately true from the ultimate perspective, like I said. To communicate in this imaginary space we must use these imaginary concepts in lack of other alternatives, as long as we imagine ourselves stuck in this illusion of form. Just assume Im aware of those obvious things please. Unless your ego has already in this moment achieved complete loss of identification with self or form you also have to play under the rules of the game. If you cant handle it maybe Mahasamadhi is the way. I on the other hand still have some attachment to this imaginary existence (which is very faschinating aswell btw even if its nothing and nowhere) and Im curious about more imaginary details. So please stick to the subject.

 

The thing is do you think we are communicating now? Understand each other? How do you know what is understanding or communicating? You have never born, how can you achieve mahasamadhi? What is mahasamadhi? Word, movement, or just a thought? Now is before birth, there is no such a thing as illusion, life or you. Just close your eyes and think can you see the thoughts? Touch them or feel them? How can you trust the so called knowledge? So called Human made?

[BlackPhil]

9 hours ago, billiesimon said:

What? What do you mean?

Why should not a dead ego merge back in the singularity?
Once the false self disappears, your true identity should be clear to itself.

Why do you think the false self is limited to only the physical body? Im pretty certain the deception contains of many more layers before reaching the truth. Both my own experience and what Ive heard from many other experienced people tells me this is the case.

[BlackPhil]

2 hours ago, James12345 said:

The thing is do you think we are communicating now? Understand each other? How do you know what is understanding or communicating? You have never born, how can you achieve mahasamadhi? What is mahasamadhi? Word, movement, or just a thought? Now is before birth, there is no such a thing as illusion, life or you. Just close your eyes and think can you see the thoughts? Touch them or feel them? How can you trust the so called knowledge? So called Human made?

Yes thank you, we know. So why are you even writing, or imagining you are? This thread is not about the ultimate like Ive said many times now.

[James12345]

12 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

Yes thank you, we know. So why are you even writing, or imagining you are? This thread is not about the ultimate like Ive said many times now.

These are not conversations or written by someone. Nothing is happening. Taking a shit or flying is identical because they are both nothing, therefore there is no such a thing as taking shit or flying. All is ultimate and identical. There is no illusion. If you become aware of this, there will be no question left for you, because there is no such a thing as question. Thats the ultimate answer. And this is answer of your question, if you dont want to stay in so called wonderland. 

[billiesimon]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Not all knowledge can be direct consciousness. You cannot have 100% certainty about everything in this work. Science is often uncertain about things. There is no reason why consciousness could not dream a series of dreams back to back. This is highly likely.

Is this what ancient hindu sages meant with samsara and reincarnation when a person is not enlightened? 

[BlackPhil]

9 minutes ago, James12345 said:

These are not conversations or written by someone. Nothing is happening. Taking a shit or flying is identical because they are both nothing, therefore there is no such a thing as taking shit or flying. All is ultimate and identical. There is no illusion. If you become aware of this, there will be no question left for you, because there is no such a thing as question. Thats the ultimate answer. And this is answer of your question, if you dont want to stay in so called wonderland. 

Is what you are saying true for you in your direct experience right now in your current state of consciousness? Obviously not or you wouldnt appear to be writing on this forum. Its very foolish and pointless to conceptualize the ultimate truth when your'e not conscious of it in your current state. Its a common thing people new to this tend to do (I did it myself some years ago), you will soon find out its not helpful.

As long as you appear as a so called human you will have to adjust to that. If youre not interested in anything but parroting tautologies of the godstate fine, but go do it in another thread please.

[James12345]

24 minutes ago, BlackPhil said:

Is what you are saying true for you in your direct experience right now in your current state of consciousness? Obviously not or you wouldnt appear to be writing on this forum

??? you think we are in form and talking to each other, yes because you “think” identification with thoughts. This is not a form nor you are talking to anyone. Now is before birth, and You will never be able to born. Taking a shit and writing to you has no differences. Therefore if i take shit will you question it as writing to you? These are all assumptions which makes differentiation or creates dualities with saying 2. No all is one ☝️. You aint ready which is the so called ego. Before so called death comes to you get ready.

Additionally, there is no I, god nor states. All comes from so called mind, which is so called duality (so called you). 

Good luck ? 

 

Peace ☮️

Edited August 30, 2021 by James12345