Everything Is Real Instead Of "ego Is False"?

[Egoisego]

To say that the ego is false is wrong. Very wrong. The ego is real like everything else in the world is real. 

When Sam Harris should explain what he meant with "the ego is false" did he point out what it's not. It is not over/outside the body. It is the body. But this is obvious i hope.. The ego is creating in your brain just like the image of a pink elephant is created in your brain when you read this.

 

When every enlightened people say that everything already is enlightened is this both true and false. It is a concept.

 

I would argue that "everything is real" is much much better than "the ego is false". "

 

Edited December 5, 2016 by Egoisego

[Primeval]

Imho... Ego is the Self Unrealized. Ego is the Self...unrealized. The Manifestations Ego and the Mystery have the SAME SOURCE, the Self. Therefore the Ego IS the Self..."pretending" it isn't.

[Egoisego]

2 minutes ago, Lha Bho said:

Imho... Ego is the Self Unrealized. Ego is the Self...unrealized. The Manifestations Ego and the Mystery have the SAME SOURCE, the Self. Therefore the Ego IS the Self..."pretending" it isn't.

Hur you do realize this things enlightenment is just as basic as the thing enlightenment?

Everything is like it should be and will Always be

[Primeval]

1 minute ago, Egoisego said:

Hur you do realize this things enlightenment is just as basic as the thing enlightenment?

I don't understand your question here.

[Egoisego]

18 minutes ago, Lha Bho said:

I don't understand your question here.

I mean the pursue after enlightenment is not more fine or more worthy than chasing Fame or Money.

It could if you let it and you can.

 

Sorry English is not my first Language. So tell Me if i am hard to understand

Edited December 5, 2016 by Egoisego

[Primeval]

I think you may be right. I think Enlightenment may be something the wicked as well as the righteous can obtain. True goodness is in acts of kindness etc.

[Primeval]

Though I suppose that perhaps Spirituality, Meditation in general and Enlightenment itself may have a purifying... transformational aspect.

And there are the traditions that say only the Good and Pure of Heart may find the Kingdom.

I myself have been transforming due to meditation practice, mindfulness mostly... learning things I thought I already knew.

[Egoisego]

Sure it Was Nice to Me as well. And it Was profound when i found it and actually realised that you could be outside thoughts.

It is just a story however just like any other story.

So you could do whatever you want theb fall back on this enlightenment path.. The death is what it is. 

I would like to get this concept of no ego dismessed anyhow it is not more truth than anything else

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by Egoisego

[Primeval]

It's in the linguistics and word plays of coincidence and/or synchronicity. 

"No Ego"

"Know Ego"

(Ego is Latin for I)

"Know I"

"Know Eye"

"Know Aye"

"Know Yes"

"No Yes"

Duality ???

[WelcometoReality]

40 minutes ago, Maorice said:

Besides the stuff you say about the ego, which I don't take into consideration here, the sentence I quote above has a good point. In fact enlightened spiritual teachers are very contradictory in some points. For example they say things like: "You are already enlightened." Others say: "You can never become enlightened. I too am not enlightened. No one is and no one ever has been." Another example. They say: "You are the witness. You are the observer." Others say: "There is no witness. There is no observer."

So some spiritual seekers should ask themselves if it is worth it to listen to them all day. I have to admit that many spiritual teachers, although they are good and to a degree helpful and I do respect them, are often speaking gibberish (I hope this the right expression, English is not my first language). They are loosing themselves in pointers, personal advice, descriptions of things which can't be described, descriptions which are half-true and where you could say the opposite and it would be as true as the other half-truth. They say things that are misleading for people living in separate self consciousness and can easily be misinterpreted. From the point of view of an enlightened one they make sense and are easy to understand. For people who are in separate self consciousness they are not. In short, today's non-duality scene is a big circus. And I don't mean to be disrespectful here. You should look for the most effective / resultful ways and not take everything spiritual teachers say literally. Summarize what they want to say instead of listening again and again to the same stuff. This too is an advice that may work or not, hehe. But I hope you get what I'm trying to say. And besides that, there are other "ways" to enlightenment than listening to satsangs and stuff

@Egoisego I often say don't trust what anyone is saying. Check if it is true in you own experience, anything else will just add a belief.

What someone else is experiencing might not be true for you. And many are hindering their own spiritual development by doing just this, believing what their spiritual teacher says.

[Dodo]

I recently came to understand that sometimes the term ego is used when a person shows character, or has a character. Character is only bad, if its not you.

Leo has an awesome character for example. He doesn't have to become a rock to be enlightened, all we need to do is be ourselves, whatever that means to us. Only we can find who we trully are in this world and our actions will prove who we are.

Let's be sages (wink) (wink)

[Neo]

Leo has an awesome character for example.

How do you know that? Is he not just pixels on the screen produced by a data stream?

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Neo said:

 

How do you know that? Is he not just pixels on the screen produced by a data stream?

I can see hes just being himself and not faking it. You know a faker when you see him.

[Neo]

16 hours ago, Egoisego said:

To say that the ego is false is wrong. Very wrong. The ego is real like everything else in the world is real. 

 

But all of us know that there is a physical person sat here right? The fact that there is no ego existing, is something we can interpret in our own way and to me it means this; that you believe you are the "director" of your own show, an observer with special powers to control fate and destiny.

 

The director of the show disappears and we see the show goes on and so we realise it wasn't what we thought it was.

 

In order to get someone to see this dramatic and yet hidden truth, we need to be so open minded beyond belief. We need to be willing to actually see the self disappear. Because frankly there is no other "language" we would understand that would give a hint as to how to do it.

[Frogfucius]

Of course the ego isn't real. Can you show me an ego? Where, exactly, is the ego?

"But Frog, it's an idea! Ideas can have some merit, right?"

An idea is a thought. Thoughts happen and can be formulated, but they don't actually exist as part of reality. Mickey Mouse was just someone's thought. We don't really believe that Mickey Mouse the character exists, do we?

We humans so easily believe in our thoughts and ideas. We attach labels and meanings to everything. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's how we function in this world. But there's a reason you're told to shed all beliefs. It grounds you into reality much more than you've ever been before. But, again, this is more thoughts and beliefs, so you have to figure out for yourself what's real.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Frogfucius

[Egoisego]

10 hours ago, Maorice said:

3 hours ago, Frogfucius said:

Of course the ego isn't real. Can you show me an ego? Where, exactly, is the ego?

"But Frog, it's an idea! Ideas can have some merit, right?"

An idea is a thought. Thoughts happen and can be formulated, but they don't actually exist as part of reality. Mickey Mouse was just someone's thought. We don't really believe that Mickey Mouse the character exists, do we?

We humans so easily believe in our thoughts and ideas. We attach labels and meanings to everything. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's how we function in this world. But there's a reason you're told to shed all beliefs. It grounds you into reality much more than you've ever been before. But, again, this is more thoughts and beliefs, so you have to figure out for yourself what's real.

I am sorry if i quout wrong my tablet is just bad. 

So This is exactly what i am arguing against. The ego is not false it is very much real. Picasso said "everything you can imagine is real". 
This.

 

Just because something is more abstract doesn't mean it is not real. A computergame is real, a tree is real.

Everything you think is because something happens. To say that something is false is to deny it very existence.

 

To me it really seems like those thoughts is created by a ignorance about the brain. Or it could be. 

 

 

Edited December 6, 2016 by Egoisego

[Dodo]

11 minutes ago, Egoisego said:

So This is exactly what i am arguing against. The ego is not false it is very much real. Picasso said "everything you can imagine is real". 
This.

 

Just because something is more abstract doesn't mean it is not real. A computergame is real, a tree is real.

Everything you think is because something happens. To say that something is false is to deny it very existence.

 

To me it really seems like those thoughts is created by a ignorance about the brain. Or it could be. 

 

 

The experience itself is the only verifiably real thing. The other is all subjective.

For example if i am in a computer game, im still the experience. The experience is real, even though it's all code.

Only experience is trully real, for the rest, its an argument that can go both ways like when talking about free will.

There will always be conflicting views. 

[Frogfucius]

16 minutes ago, Egoisego said:

"everything you can imagine is real". 

No. Imagining I'm a millionaire doesn't make me a millionaire. Imagining I'm a T-Rex having sex with a unicorn, doesn't mean I'm a t-rex having sex with a unicorn. You see the potential destructive power of believing in thoughts? It's the reason man has "fallen", separates himself from nature, and tries to conquer it.

Edited December 6, 2016 by Frogfucius

[Egoisego]

3 minutes ago, Frogfucius said:

No. Imagining I'm a millionaire doesn't make me a millionaire. Imagining I'm a T-Rex having sex with a unicorn, doesn't mean I'm a t-rex having sex with a unicorn. You see the potential destruction of believing in thoughts?

Something is happening in your brain, which is the the cause of you thinking this. 

You are actually having sex with a T-rex if you think it. THe materia we call t-rex and you are not but the materia in your brain which create this image is most certainly real

Edited December 6, 2016 by Egoisego

[Frogfucius]

2 minutes ago, Egoisego said:

Something is happening in your brain which is the the cause of you thinking this. 

Of course. Everything is physical. Does that mean someplace, somewhere, I'm a t-rex? No! These images are just a result of physical reactions in the brain. Physical reactions given to me by the world around me, by the universe, by prior experiences and knowledge. You fail to see the ramifications of abstract thought. Hallucinations are NOT real, no matter how much you believe in them!

Edited December 6, 2016 by Frogfucius