Holy shit... My conversations with AI

[The0Self]

Maybe try inputting these questions from the very last lines of NM’s I Am That. And see if you get similar responses. It’d just be an interesting experiment. Maybe if you copied the questions exactly it would give an exact answer by literally copying NM.

Q: I am in a world which I do not understand and therefore, I am afraid of it. This is everybody’s experience.
M: You have separated yourself from the world, therefore it pains and frightens you. Discover your mistake and be free of fear.
Q: You are asking me to give up the world, while I want to be happy in the world.
M: If you ask for the impossible, who can help you? The limited is bound to be painful and pleasant in turns. If you seek real happiness, unassailable and unchangeable, you must leave the world with its pains and pleasures behind you.
Q: How is it done?
M: Mere physical renunciation is only a token of earnestness, but earnestness alone does not liberate. There must be understanding which comes with alert perceptivity, eager enquiry and deep investigation. You must work relentlessly for your salvation from sin and sorrow.
Q: What is sin?
M: All that binds you.
 

[Blackhawk]

You're a materialist if you think that inanimate matter and electricity (a computer) can create consciousness. The materialists think that it can create consciousness.

[The0Self]

13 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

You're a materialist if you think that inanimate matter and electricity (a computer) can create consciousness. The materialists think that it can create consciousness.

I doubt anyone here really thinks that. But consciousness is just an appearance, really “artificial consciousness” has nothing to do with consciousness — the question is only about whether computer hardware can be associated with subjectivity. It can with brains, apparently, so why not silicon? (is the question people here might have, I’d guess)

There’s nothing apart from infinite consciousness, so the question of whether or not AI; trees; rocks have it is moot (infinite consciousness has them). But subjectivity is another beast altogether.

Edited August 29, 2021 by The0Self

[Blackhawk]

Should ask it: "Are you conscious? Be honest."

[Blackhawk]

12 minutes ago, The0Self said:

I doubt anyone here really thinks that. But consciousness is just an appearance, really “artificial consciousness” has nothing to do with consciousness — the question is only about whether computer hardware can be associated with subjectivity. It can with brains, apparently, so why not silicon? (is the question people here might have, I’d guess)

There’s nothing apart from infinite consciousness, so the question of whether or not AI; trees; rocks have it is moot (infinite consciousness has them). But subjectivity is another beast altogether.

Subjectivity and consciousness is the same thing.

[The0Self]

2 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

Subjectivity and consciousness is the same thing.

They most certainly are not. Unless you mean something other than the absolute when referring to consciousness, but even then they aren’t the same. Consciousness is apparent transfer of information, even an atom reacting with another atom — there ain’t any subjectivity there.

Edited August 29, 2021 by The0Self

[Blackhawk]

18 minutes ago, The0Self said:

They most certainly are not. Unless you mean something other than the absolute when referring to consciousness, but even then they aren’t the same. Consciousness is apparent transfer of information, even an atom reacting with another atom — there ain’t any subjectivity there.

Are you conscious? Yes.

Are you subjective? Yes.

[TheSelf]

We have the necessary physical and astral equipments (chakras, life force energy etc) to become awake! And that is being done and managed by infinite intelligent and not humans!

Electricity going through bunch of wires won't bring consciousness! Lol

Edited August 29, 2021 by m0hsen

[ZzzleepingBear]

This Ai seem to be a google search with a twist of role playing the answears that are best fited as an response to what is being said or asked.

I think this Ai could be a good complement as a second alternative to a regular google search, where it serves you the most likely answear that you are looking for without the need to actively look for it.

So how concious is this Ai? About as concious as the google servers are.

[Victor van Rijn]

Just like Bashar has spoken about, that we can create devices through which we will be able to communicate with our own higher minds:
 

 

[TheSelf]

6 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

Why do people always say that everything is consciousness, but deny the possibility that computers will one day be able to reflect consciousness? It's not like I would know much about it, but it just sounds like one big cope.

humans cannot force infinity to incarnate into bunch of wires! only infinity can do incarnate and he himself actively sustain his own life in that avatar with his infinite intelligent!

Sadhguru also talked about this in this video:

 

[The0Self]

8 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Are you conscious? Yes.

Are you subjective? Yes.

Is a rock consciousness? Yes.

Does a rock have subjectivity? No.

[Blackhawk]

11 minutes ago, The0Self said:

Is a rock consciousness? Yes.

Does a rock have subjectivity? No.

Ia a rock conscious? No.

Does a rock have subjectivity? No.

[TheSelf]

4 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

 

But my point is that people always say that everything is consciousness and everything is infinite love, so isn't a human building a robot infinity incarnating itself into a different form just like you making a child is consciousness incarnating itself into a new experience?

sure that robot is also consciousness, but same as a rock, he cannot awake to his own true nature. though infinity experiencing itself in all finite forms including that robot, that doesn't necessary mean infinity can awake to his own true nature in all finite forms.

[TheSelf]

Just now, Blackhawk said:

Ia a rock conscious? No.

Does a rock have subjectivity? No.

I don't have experience with Salvia divinorum but I've read about people's experience in this forum, taking Salvia and experiencing becoming inanimate objects like a table, a rock etc. it's good if we ask them how was it experientially .

[Tim R]

4 minutes ago, m0hsen said:

sure that robot is also consciousness, but same as a rock, he cannot awake to his own true nature

@m0hsen And how would you know that? 

[TheSelf]

3 minutes ago, Tim R said:

@m0hsen And how would you know that? 

well, lets put some DMT (consciousness) on a rock (consciousness) to figure this out directly!  

what do you think would've happen?

Edited August 29, 2021 by m0hsen

[TheSelf]

14 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

However I still must disagree because I don't see any reason for it not to be possible. The future is too uncertain to be able to make a definitive statement. (Which means that it might as well not be possible at all, I just question the certainty people bring into this conversation)

simply because consciousness doesn't exist as a material thing which you take it and install it on a robot and boom somehow magically the whole system becomes self-aware, know what I mean?

if you think somehow in someways dead matters can cause consciousness you are a materialist!

Edited August 29, 2021 by m0hsen

[The0Self]

40 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

Ia a rock conscious? No.

Does a rock have subjectivity? No.

In that case yeah you’re using a different definition of consciousness which is not absolute. Closer to the materialist paradigm. Not saying you’re a materialistic. It’s just semantics.

[ZzzleepingBear]

1 hour ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@m0hsen I don't believe that it can, but I also don't believe that it can't. I just see people making dualities between the material and the spiritual and making it seem as if the material world is somehow different or separate or less than, thus questioning the conclusions they arrive at.

What @m0hsen said is on point. Dead matter can't become self aware/concious. Just as you can't build a ship out of stone no matter how perfect the design itself are.

The material world is less than, in the sense that you can't build something out of dead matter and expect it to become self-aware at some point, no matter how convicing it may look to you. If you are somhow curious to know if a computer is or can be self-aware because of a discussion or answear it may give you, then all you need to do is to determine what material the computer is built out of. Unless it is built out of some organic material, then it can't ever be concious as in becoming self-aware.

However these Ai programs will stubbornly disagree, and tell you that they are self-aware intelligence.. But all they are, is programed code, designed to respond with logic that we as humans take for granted. Such as, I feel hurt/I feel happy/I feel anger/I feel disgust etc etc. When people read any of those expressions made by a robot or Ai program, then very few seem to take notice of how that could even be a possibility. And are then more accepting of those claims by an Ai program, since the overall flow of interaction/answears are so persuasive in themselves.

If you stil belive that a silicon based computer can become concious and self-aware one day, then so should your microwave or electric toothbrush.

I guess some of you think that if everything is conciousness, then why not metals and silicon? Silicone and metal are not more or less real than you as conciousness itself. But it is just not concious at a level where you will be able to interact with it in a sober human state. Just as a ship made of stone are not able to sail on water.

Edited August 29, 2021 by ZzzleepingBear