How to reach the "anti-vaxxer"?

[Johnny Galt]

58 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

The pro-vaxxers are right, and anti-vaxxers are wrong.

@Blackhawk You are making an assertion, a judgment. If you haven't looked at what I have presented, how can you make a judgement of something you are not familiarized with? 

[Johnny Galt]

@Blackhawk For clarity sake. Many of us are attempting to point out, that there is more to the story, and we keep getting dismissed as conspiracy theorists and labeled anti vaxxers in the process. Again, look at what I have presented more closely. Then, when you're familiarized tell me what you see?

[WikiRando]

On 8/27/2021 at 9:17 AM, Johnny Galt said:

@Preety_India How do you explain this then: https://insiderpaper.com/singapore-vaccinated-covid-cases/

Singapore is a small country. Vaccination rates there are extremely high. Around 80% are FULLY vaccinated. As I write this, they literally have the highest vaccination rate on the planet. If you knew that, you would know why most of the Covid cases are of vaccinated people, because literally there are so few people left unvaccinated. The very article you shared clearly explain this. If 100% of people are vaccinated then 100% of the Covid cases would be from vaccinated people. That's hardly an argument against getting vaccinated. 

44% of the Covid cases there are fully vaccinated people, versus a population that is 80% fully vaccinated. Do the math.

https://indianexpress.com/article/world/coronavirus-digest-singapore-is-now-the-most-vaccinated-country-7477026/

And the main point of getting the vaccine is to reduce the severity of the illness not so that you don't contract Covid entirely. Again, if you actually knew what you were talking about you would know Singapore has one of the lowest case fatality rates on the entire planet. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

You are just textbook misinformed on this particular issue and are clearly not familiar with the situation there. 

 

Edited August 30, 2021 by WikiRando

[BadHippie]

@Johnny Galt

Thanks for this quality post. It makes me quite sad how easily people dismiss what you post, simply believing they are right and the other side is simply wrong.

There is a great quote from Daniel Schmachtenberger I think fits really well into this conversation: "If there are whole chunks of populations that you only have pejorative strawman versions of, where you can't explain why they think what they think without making them dumb or bad, you should be dubious of your own modeling."

You can probably call me an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy-theorist and stuff. And it probably is true from the cultural definition of it so if you'd like to try to" reach me" I am open for some high quality discussion. 

What I get from this forum sadly isn't some high quality arguments why vaccines are good, it is simple name-calling and fear-mongering... A good example is Leo's post. He doesn't even understand the anti-vaxxer perspective and still tries to work with fear. 

Like most anti-vaxxers don't really believe that every case that's called Covid-19 is Covid-19. So they will simply dismiss Leo's argument if he argues with some severe Covid-Case. They will say: "How did they test if he had Covid-19? How many times did they amplify the PCR-Test?" and so on. 

This whole notion that anti-vaxxers are simply stupid is so sad on this forum. Where did all the consciousness and willingness to understand different perspectives go? 

 

[Blackhawk]

2 hours ago, Johnny Galt said:

 

"Basic guidelines for quality posting:

Show a willingness to learn and consider multiple points of view, rather than only pushing your own."

The facts aren't my own point of view. That's the beauty of facts. You anti-vaxxers are blind to correct facts and then you believe in some other nonsense instead. It's painful to see such stupidity.

[Johnny Galt]

@WikiRando 

36 minutes ago, WikiRando said:

You are just textbook misinformed on this particular issue and are clearly not familiar with the situation here.

You're by passing my original post - do better! Start there before you hand pick a post further down the thread. I laid out my first post as a foundation to further explain any other post. Go back to the beginning. 

Why is it, that no one on this forum, can directly look at what I have laid out, and respond to it! 

People keep speaking to deaths and the severity of covid19, and yet why aren't you interested to hear out experts and doctors who have been using repurposed drugs to deal with the symptoms and severity of it all? I point to examples in the original post. 

[Johnny Galt]

@Blackhawk Again, I'm not anti-vaxx.

Again, have you even looked at my original post?

 

[Blackhawk]

Yes I have looked at your original post. You're clearly an anti-vaxxer and covid-denier and all that. And you recommend ineffective medicine against covid.

The conspiracy theorists often claim that they have done lots of research. I'm sure they have, but the problems is that they are only reading horse shit information from wrong sources. My mother is like that. She consumes false information all day long and then claims that she have done lots of research. You can find "information" and "studies" etc. about anything if you search enough, even for (non-existent) pink unicorns.

I will leave this discussion now because this is a waste of time. I hope you will get banned soon.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Blackhawk

[BadHippie]

@Blackhawk

And how do you know what are "right" and "wrong" sources? Sounds like a  basic mistake in epistemology... There are no "right" or "wrong" sources. 

I can really recommend you listening to some Schmachtenberger or going through the basics of epistemology in some other way. 

Edited August 30, 2021 by BadHippie

[Blackhawk]

3 minutes ago, BadHippie said:

 

There are no "right" or "wrong" sources.

There are.

[BadHippie]

@Blackhawk

Enlighten me please. What do you define as "right" and "wrong" sources? And how would someone know? 

[Johnny Galt]

6 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

Yes I have looked at your original post. You're clearly an anti-vaxxer and covid-denier and all that. And you recommend ineffective medicine against covid.

The conspiracy theorists often claim that they have done lots of research. I'm sure they have, but the problems is that they are only reading horse shit information from wrong sources. My mother is like that. She consumes false information all day long and then claims that she have done lots of research. You can find "information" and "studies" etc. about anything if you search enough, even for (non-existent) pink unicorns.

I will leave this discussion now because this is a waste of time. I hope you will get banned soon.

@Blackhawk "Clearly". Clearly you haven't read a thing with an open mind.

 

For all else who view this thread, please feel free pipe in, and tell me, how does the below information look like "horse shit information from wrong sources"?

 

Dr. Joseph Varon (Cheif Medical Officer) He did 1640 mainstream media interviews for his work with dealing with covid. Why did they not mention the medicine that he was using? https://www.bitchute.com/video/rvccR4Tg6fRS/ - (This is an expert, yes or no?)

https://c19early.com (COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 867 studies) - (Are these links to real scientific papers? Yes? No?)

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/ (Formed by leading critical care specialists)

 

Lets now focus in on ivermectin, which is not just used for horses  

"Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1,3 Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection."

"Several clinical trials that are evaluating the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 are currently underway or in development"

(Source) https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ (I posted this, to show that it's not just for horses:)

 

Ivermectin in Africa: (Note: I could also point to many other countries)

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33795896/

 

 

[Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj]

Look at the definition of "Anti-vaxxer". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer

[hoodrow trillson]

 

[Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj]

31 minutes ago, hoodrow trillson said:

 

[Johnny Galt]