How to reach the "anti-vaxxer"?

[Johnny Galt]

How can you reach the "anti-vaxxer"? Explain the following...

First I should mention, in this post, I will be directing you to experts and so if you are "pro-science", then I imagine you would be for this type of discourse. Rather then ban me, help to bring clarity to where there is confusion. Additionally, the below points, these are just a few of many examples I could bring to your attention.

(edit: I am not suggesting that one should disregard covid or that one should not get the vaccine. Take a breath and go through this slowly)

 

1.Death Count / Death Certificates: 

After proceeding to look at all of the following points for (1. Death Count), explain to me how does this affect our perspective on the "global severity" of C19?

 

a.) Dr. Annie Bukacek 

Practicing medicine for over 30 years. 

"In 2019 she won the ACP Laureate award for the commitement to excellence in medical care"

"Has been filling out death certificates for over 30 years"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5wn1qs_bBk&feature=emb_title

 

b.) Sen. Dr Scott Jensen - on death certificates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEMvtz5jDM8

 

c.) DR Ngozi Ezike, Public Health Illinois 

"even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had covid at the same time, it's still listed as a covid death"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYUExBc1ijU&feature=emb_logo

 

2. Case Count / PCR Tests

After proceeding to look at all of the following points for (2. Case Count / PCR Tests), explain to me, again, how does this affect our perspective on the "global severity" of C19?

 

a.) Here is a peer review on the above study (External Peer Review of the RTPCR Test): 10 major scientific flaws at the molecular and methodological level: consequences for false positive results: cormandrostenreview.com/report/

"3. The test cannot discriminate between the whole virus and viral fragments. Therefore, the test cannot be used as a diagnostic for intact (infectious) viruses, making the test unsuitable as a specific diagnostic tool to identify the SARS-CoV-2 virus and make inferences about the presence of an infection."

Also, look at #10 and what it says about conflict of interest

 

b.) Kerry Mullis, the creator of the PCR process discusses how the test is not designed to tell you whether somehting is infectious or not (around 3min). Note, this footage was not recent and yet the same ideas are mentioned in the info below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zEoRmJgt00 

 

c.) Julia Bach ("PCR Test Expert")

How PCR tests helped change the definition of "infected"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loQd2rC8mjg&t=137s

 

d.) News articles on the PCR Test

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html

https://www.portugalresident.com/judges-in-portugal-highlight-more-than-debatable-reliability-of-covid-tests/

 

3. "Sweeping Consensus" - Are you sure? 

a.)

https://gbdeclaration.org/view-signatures/ - "14,879 medical & public health scientists ", "43,804 medical practitioners" = "58,683"

https://docs4opendebate.be/en/ - "744 medical doctors",  "2736 medically trained health professionals" = "3480"

 

Total count = "61,419" experts from around would disagree with the notion that there is a sweeping consensus.  

 

b.) Here's more...

A huge number of medical doctors ask for a reassessment of the corona measures

https://docs4opendebate.be/en/doctors-initiatives/

 

4. mRNA Technology and alternatives

a.) Show me the examples of where this technology has been used globally on humans? and then show me the studies for the long term safety? 

Consider the following two articles below, and then ask yourself, if one has had a heart issues in the past, should they not get a choice in how they protect themselves? or should we just force them regardless of their own concerns for their safety? Also note, saying that it's rare, this doesn't change a thing for those who are injured. 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-panel-review-heart-inflammation-cases-after-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-2021-06-23/

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-infectious-disease-expert-shocked-by-the-number-of-adverse-reactions-to-covid-19-vaccine/

 

b.) What are alternatives to the mRNA tech?  

Dr. Joseph Varon (Cheif Medical Officer) He did 1640 mainstream media interviews for his work with dealing with covid. Why did they not mention the medicine that he was using? https://www.bitchute.com/video/rvccR4Tg6fRS/

https://c19early.com (COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 867 studies)

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/

 

Lets now focus in on ivermectin, which is not just used for horses  

"Ivermectin is a Food and Drug Administration (FDA)-approved antiparasitic drug that is used to treat several neglected tropical diseases, including onchocerciasis, helminthiases, and scabies.1 It is also being evaluated for its potential to reduce the rate of malaria transmission by killing mosquitoes that feed on treated humans and livestock.2 For these indications, ivermectin has been widely used and is generally well tolerated.1,3 Ivermectin is not approved by the FDA for the treatment of any viral infection."

(Source) https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

 

Ivermectin in Africa: (Note: I could also point to many other countries)

1 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33795896/

2 - "Conclusions: The morbidity and mortality in the onchocerciasis endemic countries are lesser than those in the non-endemic ones. The community-directed onchocerciasis treatment with ivermectin is the most reasonable explanation for the decrease in morbidity and fatality rate in Africa. In areas where ivermectin is distributed to and used by the entire population, it leads to a significant reduction in mortality." (source: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/03/26/2021.03.26.21254377.full.pdf)

 

5. If one has actually taken the time to look at all that I have presented, how can we expect the public to just "trust", or to simply just go along with everyone else and do as your told? How can we justify mandatory vaccinations, contract tracing, further booster shots? when we can't even get the case count and death count right? 

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[Gregory1]

@Inliytened1

@Nahm

@Moksha

@Natasha

@Leo Gura

This post should be locked for downplaying the severity of covid. And spreading misinformation about the vaccine. 

 

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[Johnny Galt]

@Gregory1 Take it as a serious issue, that would be my suggestion. But do so with clarity, that would be better.

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[Preety_India]

Mandatory vaccination is important. 

The people impacted by the vaccine would do much worse if they get Covid. 

If they can't survive a vaccine inflammation, they definitely can't survive Covid 

 

Try thinking logically.. a bit. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

@Preety_India Did you even go through what I posted? I'm not suggesting one should not get the vaccine. Also, did you know that  some are getting results with other means? Try to slow down, take a breath, and go read the end of the thread. 

[Preety_India]

@Johnny Galt nope. What you're saying is simply not true. And I'm not going to waste my time reading all that. 

The whole premise that the vaccine is not good for a small bunch of vulnerable people is not logical at all.. 

Anti-vaxxers don't even care about that portion of your argument. They're simply against vaccines for the heck of it

Just tell me the whole point of your post in just one line. Just one line. And don't run around in circles.. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

@Preety_India How do you explain this then: https://insiderpaper.com/singapore-vaccinated-covid-cases/

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[Preety_India]

@Johnny Galt by more vaccinations. 

Vaccination is the only way to protect. 

 

[Endangered-EGO]

@Johnny Galt That's what they want you to believe. Big pharma makes money.

I know 24 people who died or nearly died from the vaccine and nobody talked about it.

My dog got covid and didn't complain about any symptoms.

Also I made 2 covid tests, one was negative and one was positive. So it's a hoax.

The media and government are lying, they always lied and don't know the secrets of wim hoff breathing that cure any disease.

 

And there are plenty of other scientist that have a different opinion.

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That was the antivaxx defense.

You cannot explain reason, epistemology and the scientific method to people who went to school for 15 years and still don't approach rationality, logic etc.

 

I just tell them to trust the intelligent people or to ask their doctors.

[Inliytened1]

@Endangered-EGO it is certainly not a hoax..I went through it recently.  Stop the nonsense or you will be banned.  

As for the vaccine...you can still get Covid even if you are vaccinated.  The vaccine will protect you from serious illness and death.   

[Johnny Galt]

2 hours ago, Preety_India said:

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Inliytened1 The vaccine will protect you from serious illness and death.   

Explain this then:

Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

[Johnny Galt]

@Inliytened1 as to what I just presented in the previous message, I could fill the thread with examples that counter your claim. 

[Inliytened1]

@Johnny Galt there's always going to be a small number of people who have complications due to the vaccine.   but the risk of not taking it are far greater...if you are over 40..and not in perfect health.  (Over weight, underlying conditions, weak immune system, etc).  You are a sitting duck for this thing to kill you... And even if you are young and healthy I would still get it.  

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Galt said:

@Inliytened1 as to what I just presented in the previous message, I could fill the thread with examples that counter your claim. 

It's your life dude.  My ex wife just got it and got through it with a cough.  No vaccine...But a lot are not so lucky 

[Johnny Galt]

@Inliytened1 Is it safe and effective for those who are injured then? 

Besides, read the end of the thread in regards to alternatives. People should have the choice. 

 

[Johnny Galt]

@Inliytened1 I'm happy to hear that she's okay! I got it too and it was pretty intense. Regardless, we should have choice and not be led by exaggerated numbers (cases/deaths - see original post for examples of this)

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[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Galt said:

@Inliytened1 I'm happy to hear that she's okay! I got it too and it was pretty intense. Regardless, we should have choice and not be led by exaggerated numbers (cases/deaths - see original post for examples of this)

Thanks I was too!  Yes I do agree we should have the choice..

[Goldzilla]

I have a bigger list with more prestige doctors who are against injection. So this is only another sheet of paper. 

[Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

[Endangered-EGO]

11 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Endangered-EGO it is certainly not a hoax..I went through it recently.  Stop the nonsense or you will be banned.  

As for the vaccine...you can still get Covid even if you are vaccinated.  The vaccine will protect you from serious illness and death.   

I was making a parody of antivaxx people, I carified that in the end of the post.

Come on "my dog got covid and didn't complain about any symptoms" ?

 

I was just showing how they make sense of their nonsense and use everything to fortify their beliefs about the current situation.