A beautiful quote on full enlightenment

[BipolarGrowth]

“When the practice is finished, he’ll know that the tree which produced his enlightenment bears no greater fruit. Intentional practice with a permanent goal stops, and the first true breath of life since birth can be had once again.” — Māhā-ānanda, the 10th incarnation of Vishnu

 

Humble people make great spiritual teachers. Extremely confident ones make the best of the best. 
 

“I have no teacher; no one is equal to me; in the world of men and of gods no being is like me. I am the holy One in this world, I am the highest teacher.” -Siddhartha Gautama, A Universal Buddha

[Thought Art]

1 minute ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Humble people make great spiritual teachers. Extremely confident ones make the best of the best. 

I think they are one in the same

[BipolarGrowth]

1 minute ago, Thought Art said:

I think they are one in the same

They are both required for the best service to spiritual seekers because at many points people will not believe those who speak clearly of their opulence, but I consider the Buddha, Krishna, and Jesus to be among the best. They all certainly had imperturbable confidence in who and what they were. 

[Tim R]

5 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Humble people make great spiritual teachers. Extremely confident ones make the best of the best. 

I guarantee you that the most confident teachers are those who will display the most humble behavior. 

Barking dogs don't bite. 

[Thought Art]

4 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

They are both required for the best service to spiritual seekers because at many points people will not believe those who speak clearly of their opulence, but I consider the Buddha, Krishna, and Jesus to be among the best. They all certainly had imperturbable confidence in who and what they were. 

Yes. But, to get to their level they weren't like trump, overly confident in their ignorance.

They were humble and persistant and suffered greatly until they got to the truth. It was only with their realization, I assume the confidence grew.

We must be humble at our stage, because we are not them.

Leo for example is very confident, but that is only because he was stable and put in the work.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Thought Art

[BipolarGrowth]

21 minutes ago, Tim R said:

I guarantee you that the most confident teachers are those who will display the most humble behavior. 

Barking dogs don't bite. 

What I’m referring to is confidence in stating what one is and has attained to. This doesn’t not mean one is not kind, a good friend in relative matters, or otherwise moral. Anyone claiming such a thing should pose no issue to washing the feet of the lowliest of beggars if it were deemed necessary. 
 

The greatest disservice Jesus, the Buddha, Krishna, or any others in their league could have ever done would have been to act like they were just normal human beings. To cloak Truth in false humility is despicable. That does not mean people should practice false confidence (arrogance) either. The best way is to know where you are and express that honestly. 

[BipolarGrowth]

44 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

Yes. But, to get to their level they weren't like trump, overly confident in their ignorance.

They were humble and persistant and suffered greatly until they got to the truth. It was only with their realization, I assume the confidence grew.

We must be humble at our stage, because we are not them.

Leo for example is very confident, but that is only because he was stable and put in the work.

In Truth, we are not ourselves as much as we are not them. 
 

What if I told you there was a teacher who has been making videos on philosophy and personal development as long as Leo who has had experiences which map far closer to traditional enlightenment maps who you would discount the level of his teachings merely due to age and a lack of spiritual clout? There are two problems surrounding people claiming attainments in spirituality. The first is there are people who don’t know where they’re actually at claiming things beyond what they are, and the second is 99%+ of spiritual seekers are not proficient enough to diagnose where someone is at in regards to enlightenment. 
 

Being able to diagnose the highest levels of attainment is far rarer than someone being able to become enlightened themselves. It also takes a lot of guess work and includes a crazy capacity for bias on unrelated factors such as language proficiency, gender, professionalism, and social status for example. 

Edited August 25, 2021 by BipolarGrowth

[Thought Art]

24 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

In Truth, we are not ourselves as much as we are not them. 
 

What if I told you there was a teacher who has been making videos on philosophy and personal development as long as Leo who has had experiences which map far closer to traditional enlightenment maps who you would discount the level of his teachings merely due to age and a lack of spiritual clout? There are two problems surrounding people claiming attainments in spirituality. The first is there are people who don’t know where they’re actually at claiming things beyond what they are, and the second is 99%+ of spiritual seekers are not proficient enough to diagnose where someone is at in regards to enlightenment. 
 

Being able to diagnose the highest levels of attainment is far rarer than someone being able to become enlightened themselves. It also takes a lot of guess work and includes a crazy capacity for bias on unrelated factors such as language proficiency, gender, professionalism, and social status for example. 

Exactly.

 We also generally tend to think we know more and are more advanced than we are. So be humble. Then, in 10-20 years if we do it right we will see the seed we planted is now a full grown tree, on which young birds can perch and new seeds are growing new trees.

I don't fully understand the second paragraph. I don't compare teachers in the way, but collect maps and models from different people and then work to integrate them. Most high level teachings that are grounded in truth have a lot of similarity in their structure, though content can be different.

A great book I love is The Mystic Masters Speak by Vernon Howard. It's a collected of tonnes of quotes from mystic masters. You can see in some way how related they are.

Namaste Brother

Edited August 25, 2021 by Thought Art