the essence of compulsive thinking

[Breakingthewall]

What is the thought that doesn't stop, that fills every gap, that does not want to leave even the slightest empty space? This activity that we do, or at least I do, non-stop, it even seems like sleeping.

It is not a depressing or painful thinking, it is something that you can live with, but for some reason, it seems part of me. Project, remember, search, analyze ... or just say random things.

I think I've seen what it is. I was meditating and I saw that buzzing thought and a peace beneath it. Delve into that peace, that joyous peace was just being . And I realized that the thought veiled that peace. Interesting ... why does he do it?. I realized that over time, since childhood, That pure being me had been questioned. It wasn't enough just to be me. Many people and many circumstances told me: it is not appropriate to be you. I believed, because in a way was true, I need to survive, and I confused learning with having to be something else . So I moved from that center, from that peace that is to be me. The greater the displacement, the more the thought spoke, and with more force, since to be displaced you have to do something. The natural thing is to be in your center. Moving from it costs effort. It is like separating two magnets. You have to exert force or they will rejoin. That force is the constant thought. The further away they are, the more force it has to do. The thoughts have to scream, be painful, create addictions. the compulsive thinking is an addiction itself. If you are close it is a talk. It may seem not so bad, but it's made of anxiety. It is it's substance. The fact of not being able to stop indicates this. Fear, avoid the self, the being. and settle in a place that doesn't exist. as it is unreal, to settle there you must create it constantly, without stopping, so you weave the fabric in which you "rest", you weave it with compulsive thought .You can't stop doing it since you are sitting there, and if you stop knitting you would fall into the void . The only way is to unite the two magnets, rest in the real. The first thing, the fundamental thing, is to remember who you are. I had forgotten!. the second is to make the effort to keep remembering it, since the tendency to rest on the fabric made of anxiety is settled. does not disappear for a realization. Is it possible to live without this annoying crutch? Let's see

Edited August 22, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

mind has us in its grip since 1000s of lifetimes telling us you are this ... it doesn't have to be this way, we can gradually get back to the center

thanks for sharing this, insightful awareness shines brightly

[Breakingthewall]

Thanks for reading! I tend to think: ok, the human condition is this, think all the time, it's like that, you have to accept it. but no ...i think it is possible to silent the mind. 

Edited August 22, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[James12345]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

What is the thought that doesn't stop, that fills every gap, that does not want to leave even the slightest empty space?

Where is the thoughts? Where does it arise, do you see them? Do you feel them? Can you think them? You think you can think the thoughts or thought is thinking the thoughts, which is thinking is an itself a thought? There is no such a thing as thought, it impossible to understand for regular human being, but there is not. When you say thoughts are arising, thats a thought itself, but when you go deep enough to realize what arises from where, you will see or realize nothing, and thats the end of the path, enlightenment. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, James12345 said:

Where is the thoughts? Where does it arise, do you see them? Do you feel them? Can you think them?

I think that the thoughts are the activity that creates the appearance of the individual. who thinks them? if the individual is created by them, he cannot think them. they are what arises in the pattern that is the human when there is a distortion between what is and what should be, and this always happens. enlightenment is in part equalizing what is and what should be, with which the thoughts, then the individual, disappears.

[James12345]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I think that the thoughts are the activity that creates the appearance of the individual

This a thought too.

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

who thinks them?

Where is this thinker? Where are the thoughts? If you say it is a brain activity thats a thought too. If you say they arise within consciousness that’s a thought too. Whatever you say that comes from the thinking. This realization is the key for enlightenment. 

[Breakingthewall]

21 minutes ago, James12345 said:

This a thought too.

44 minutes ago, James12345 said:

 

Yeah, all is a thought, we are a thought talking-thinking with another thought. if the thoughts stop the limits disappear, what you are is revealed. the point is that the thoughts come back. The distortion exist. do you live without thoughts? If you take a walk down the street, is your mind in silence? One thing is to have realizations, and another be equalized

Edited August 22, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[James12345]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The distortion exist. do you live without thoughts? If you take a walk down the street, is your mind in silence? 

Great question. This is the really key point. After enlightenment realization happens that now is before birth, so called mind takes the the shift which is no mind, like upside down, self really dies. So you actually dont walk down the streets, be in the life or think. Because these stuff are non of it real, you are at source, you are the source, now is the source, so what is thinking, life, birth all collapses. As i said these are not conversations or we are in the form talking to each other. You walk down the streets because so attached the thoughts, enlightenment destroys all the meanings, which comes from your so called birth. I cant live without thoughts, because there is no such a thing as life or thought, and i can have my mind silence because there is no such a thing as silence or mind. Sleep and life is identical. Thats how it is like, if you cant understand whatever i am saying. But unfortunately it is impossible to understand, realization is must. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, James12345 said:

Great question. This is the really key point. After enlightenment realization happens that now is before birth, so called mind takes the the shift which is no mind, like upside down, self really dies. So you actually dont walk down the streets, be in the life or think. Because these stuff are non of it real, you are at source, you are the source, now is the source, so what is thinking, life, birth all collapses. As i said these are not conversations or we are in the form talking to each other. You walk down the streets because so attached the thoughts, enlightenment destroys all the meanings, which comes from your so called birth. I cant live without thoughts, because there is no such a thing as life or thought, and i can have my mind silence because there is no such a thing as silence or mind. Sleep and life is identical. Thats how it is like, if you cant understand whatever i am saying. But unfortunately it is impossible to understand, realization is must. 

Great answer. but even though I'm not really thinking, it seems like I am, and it may seem to have a quiet mind. and I , the thought, can orient the appearance in that direction

[James12345]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Great answer. but even though I'm not really thinking, it seems like I am, and it may seem to have a quiet mind. and I , the thought, can orient the appearance in that direction

But this operating from “knowing” perspective therefore question comes as you said how do you walk down the streets? Even if you say eyes are seeing, it is not, eyes are seeing is thought, learned and perception.

What i am saying is operating from “not knowing “ perspective, which is impossible operate and to have a perspective. Therefore quite mind and thinking becomes identical, because there is no such a thing as quite mind and thinking. Therefore no mind can not be explained, because explanation comes from the mind. 

Therefore there is no I or thought or orientation. You are close, you will get it soon. Let go everything, all these sentences including whatever i am saying. Not know.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, James12345 said:

What i am saying is operating from “not knowing “ perspective, which is impossible operate and to have a perspective. Therefore quite mind and thinking becomes identical, because there is no such a thing as quite mind and thinking. Therefore no mind can not be explained, because explanation comes from the mind. 

5 hours ago, James12345 said:

 

operate without the filter of the mind, then do not operate. reality loses its limits and you and what is not you merge. a much more fascinating place to be, where everything shines

[James12345]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

operate without the filter of the mind, then do not operate. reality loses its limits and you and what is not you merge. a much more fascinating place to be, where everything shines

Just the Truth. But as you said, limits are lost, and it is freedom. Free from suffering because as Buddha said life is suffering, when there is no life nor you, no more suffering.