China's Xi on the future role and function of mass education in China

[Milos Uzelac]

From a Bloomberg article:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-18/xi-crackdowns-look-to-whip-china-s-lying-flat-youth-into-shape

In Xi's China, the ideal child, “The socialist successor of the new era, does not attend after-school tutoring, does not play video games, does not chase celebrities…finish all their homework at school, read…Xi’s selected works for one hour everyday…urge their parents to have more children.”

“There is this dilemma as everyone wants to have white-collar jobs, wants their children to have white-collar jobs, but the society’s labor market needs to have people at the lower end…There needs to be a lot of laborers for child care and senior care.”

There is a spectre haunting the world, the spectre of blue stage consciousness not being integrated into the orange rationalist global culture now shaping much of the world through the Internet and Western liberal business culture, and therefore now we have this blue consciousness shadow backlash attempted to be authoritatively implemented in China to act as model for education in the developing world to counteract this not fully integrated orange stage consciousness shock spread through the globe through the global business culture, entertainment industry and the Internet, in my view how to view this development and response in China. 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Milos Uzelac

[Leo Gura]

Sounds like a practical winning strategy.

Let's see how it flies.

[Milos Uzelac]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sounds like a practical winning strategy.

Let's see how it flies.

I'll admit I am slightly biased and optimistic about it given my countries current level of development and destroyed and weak almost non-existent domestic industrial base (it relies primarily on foreign Western investors and companies), and hopeful this model might be exported elsewhere in the developing world to provide a solid stage blue consciousness foundation for those societies, that can then slowly integrate orange stage consciousness via the Internet and the online global and digital markets. 

My only worry is for the Chinese youth and eventual new work force to not become to dogmatist, uncritical and subservient to their system as a result to sort of reinvent the war communism mobilisation and Soviet interventionism ideal of the Cold War of those people because of the dogmatism they were instilled upon and taught to learn and swore allegiance to in their relationship to their territorial claims and the developing world in their counteracting against Western business monopoly and presence there and for that to spiral into conflicts in those regions (I am thinking mostly about Africa) similar as was in the case of the Cold War in China's military aid and training in North Korea and Vietnam, where those regions became battlegrounds because of different visions of foreign superpowers for their developmental path. 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Milos Uzelac

[Stovo]

I've spent significant time in China and dated many Chinese women, so I have a better understanding of their culture than most westerners. 

The Chinese are a practical people, and they question their government more than it might first appear. When I spoke to people there they had a range of different political positions, much like the west. 

But as a whole they do have great respect for authority and the government is popular. What government wouldn't be popular after 40 years nonstop economic growth and development? 

The main political divide is between 1) the ultra nationalists. These are most similar to fundamental christians in the US. They are stage blue. 2) the political apathetic. These people generally go about their lives without discussing or getting involved in politics. They're comfortable with their government and understand the practicalities, but they find some of the more controlling aspects like internet censorship to be frustrating. These people are stage orange, and most similar to moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. 

China has nothing similar to the more left wing Democrats, because that's stage green and very few people in China are at that level. Those who do reach stage green typically leave the country, because they feel alienated in their own country and find they resonate with many liberals in western countries. It's relatively easy for them to leave too, because most of the ones who reach stage green are very well educated and have studied abroad. 

So that's China in a nutshell. I have great respect for them though, they're a very hard working people. Lots of discipline and well educated. I don't like living there because their government is overly controlling for my liking, but I understand the necessity of it relative to their level of development and culture. 

[Milos Uzelac]

21 minutes ago, Stovo said:

I've spent significant time in China and dated many Chinese women, so I have a better understanding of their culture than most westerners. 

The Chinese are a practical people, and they question their government more than it might first appear. When I spoke to people there they had a range of different political positions, much like the west. 

But as a whole they do have great respect for authority and the government is popular. What government wouldn't be popular after 40 years nonstop economic growth and development? 

The main political divide is between 1) the ultra nationalists. These are most similar to fundamental christians in the US. They are stage blue. 2) the political apathetic. These people generally go about their lives without discussing or getting involved in politics. They're comfortable with their government and understand the practicalities, but they find some of the more controlling aspects like internet censorship to be frustrating. These people are stage orange, and most similar to moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats. 

China has nothing similar to the more left wing Democrats, because that's stage green and very few people in China are at that level. Those who do reach stage green typically leave the country, because they feel alienated in their own country and find they resonate with many liberals in western countries. It's relatively easy for them to leave too, because most of the ones who reach stage green are very well educated and have studied abroad. 

So that's China in a nutshell. I have great respect for them though, they're a very hard working people. Lots of discipline and well educated. I don't like living there because their government is overly controlling for my liking, but I understand the necessity of it relative to their level of development and culture. 

Thanks for sharing your experiences and analysis on Chinese society from a on the ground empirical standpoint of living there. Much appreciated! 

[Leo Gura]

Not a good system when your most developed people leave it, Lol.

[Milos Uzelac]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not a good system when your most developed people leave it, Lol.

Heh the same fate fell upon a lot of the most developed and educated people of the former Yugoslav republics in the past decades, however there were some return migrations of those people that have migrated to Western countries to invest in here or build businesses or to pursue a career in domestic politics by the virtue of their expertise knowledge and credentials. A weird archetypal unconscious pattern repeat of the South Slav migrational historical story from the past as I see it. Migrate elsewhere then reimigrate here. 

Edited August 21, 2021 by Milos Uzelac

[Parththakkar12]

When they use the word 'China' or 'society', replace that word with 'I' or 'me'. You'll see the real deal!

[puporing]

Tough to self-actualize/individuate in that country..or go beyond stage blue and orange. Herd mentality is strong.

[Stovo]

On 21/08/2021 at 1:32 AM, Milos Uzelac said:

Thanks for sharing your experiences and analysis on Chinese society from a on the ground empirical standpoint of living there. Much appreciated! 

No problem. I may go back one day, I just find their culture fascinating. 

On 21/08/2021 at 2:30 AM, Leo Gura said:

Not a good system when your most developed people leave it, Lol.

Yes, although China does compensate for that by implementing capital controls, banning dual citizenship, or instilling "Xi Jingping Thought" into the education system. 

Basically their reaction to it is more authoritarianism, which is funny because if they just became a democracy with human rights, rule of law, and more freedoms, then more people would be attracted to live there.  

 

[hamedsf]

mass education or mass brainwashing? that is the point!