Final Switch Or Trigger For Transformation / Enlightenment?

[Wendelin]

a lot has been written here about the spiritual process and descriptions what it is and what it is not. 

you get soaked in for the wrong reason, you as an entity want some Kind of Liberation for yourself. either to be free from suffering or to experience something that is told to be sooo incredibly big brings blissfulness, peace and joy. In a way what you know right now seems to be not enough you don`t want to settle for it or you are just curious what that Thing is.

then you learn about it intellectually and absorb an amount of descriptions & Information that is processed within your mind. You also learn that it includes you being not what you thought you are. You are creating an alternative model of how that could replace the old identity. But this is just hallucination even if you try to see everything as yourself and reflect that intellectually. You can be stuck in this state probably forever as it is very entertaining.

next step is that you have an experience glimpse of that you are not what you thought you are. You find out that there is no person that could get enlightened or otherwise stay in the dark. The mind cannot grasp that and holds onto his picture and even fights against it. Or it hallucinates about being God and how good this "God mode" might feel and what it brings along for you.

The mind is proven wrong again and again by experience and contemplation. A distance is establishing between you and your mind, you take it only seriously when it is inline with your experience or awareness and let it think what it wants otherwise. the Body/mind is understood as something that is like an awareness control Center and "seat or perspective of experience" but that is as "outside" or "inside" yourself as everything else that you can become Aware of. As the outer world comes closer, the inner world gets more distance and they are moving towards a merger.

then there is no inside and outside, there is just "you". This seems to be the magical path as it can be somehow described also there might be a lack of logic.

I understand that when I am not recognizing everything as myself from experience that I am not yet enlightened or awakened. It`s not something that can be missed. You can surely hallucinate about being enlightened but being far away from it, but you cannot be enlightened and not know it. It leaves you completely transformed whereas everything else are just some changes of identification.

 At the end stands your honest recognition of your true self through experience and releasing all fascinating hallucinations about it once and for all.

so what or who is triggering the final Switch that cannot be reversed? What prevents us from pushing the button? Why can`t we let go what we created in an instant? It seems like we don`t want to take the toys of the Little kid that we are. OK we are spiritual, we take some toys but we hesitate to take all.

Why? Probably because we are not conscious about the enormity of what we started just playing around with this enlightenment stuff? like playing with fire. It makes fun only as Long as you have the fire under Control even if it is a big fire. Letting everything burn happens either as an accident, as an act of Desperation or out of tremendous curiosity that makes you forget about all kind of consequences. That`s what we are aiming at right?

 

as always, everything posted can just be words, even not my mother tongue, just thoughts, just concept. But questions are helpful as even experience can come out of posing it. (otherwise this talking is all nonsense and in fact it is in a way...)

 

 

universal regards, Wendelin

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bebop]

@Wendelin I'm stuck at this part too as well haha. From what I understand though the true self slowly reveals itself to you overtime when you are in a state of not knowing and fills in the gaps. This is why its important to drop concepts and beliefs because if you are always searching for it can never be found, it can only be realized. Sounds like you have the framework down though  

[Wendelin]

@Bebop jup, the Point is that we don`t know how far away this Realisation is for us. We might hallucinate about just being one tick away and being in fact the farest possible distance away.

but at some Point a Quantum leap into that or Transformation should happen. For sure we cannot force that ourselves. It is also some kind of grace that is always there but we are not yet receptive for it to happen.

 

[WelcometoReality]

@Wendelin You are looking for answers, but when you are in the deep state of pure perceiving are there any questions then?

[WelcometoReality]

24 minutes ago, Bebop said:

@Wendelin I'm stuck at this part too as well haha. From what I understand though the true self slowly reveals itself to you overtime when you are in a state of not knowing and fills in the gaps. This is why its important to drop concepts and beliefs because if you are always searching for it can never be found, it can only be realized. Sounds like you have the framework down though  

One is only stuck if one thinks there is somewhere to go. 

[Prabhaker]

42 minutes ago, Wendelin said:

what or who is triggering the final Switch that cannot be reversed?

Enlightenment is not an achievement, only those things can be achieved which you don't have, which are not intrinsic parts of your being. But enlightenment is your very nature. 

There is no question of triggering the final switch, everything you do is to prevent enlightenment. It happens in the state of silence, non-doing. Nothing else is there to be done. You have forgotten who you are. The only thing that has to be done is that you have to remember who you are. 

[Wendelin]

@WelcometoReality as Long as there are questions, you are not enlightened. That is right. So you Point at pure perceiving = knowing right? Vs "some completely clueless awareness" wondering about what the heck is going on...?

And there is also not really a distance to walk as you are that. But becoming Aware of that seems to be a movement from untruth to truth. So this should be more like a switching off the wrong reality vs. the real reality. This should happen at an instant as there is no in between.

@Prabhaker I agree it is not an achievement, ist your true nature and you are that already but not being able to somehow realize it yet. How to remember who you are? Something has to happen otherwise you are stuck within what you are not. You can prepare the soil, put a seed into the earth, you can water the plant, but you cannot pull the flower out of it, it has to flower itself, you have to be Patient and only focus the right condition.

so my Point is not how to pull out this damn flower but how to set the right stage so that whatever wants to Show up does it when it is time. And at some Point you cannot do anymore, you go aside become silent, not doing, you are able to just be aware of the flowering process and all its sensations.

so it is more like what is the last Thing you do to actively Support the process. Just right before you disappear.

 

Edited December 2, 2016 by Wendelin

[Bebop]

@WelcometoRealitySorry I should have said confused haha, the pieces are slowly coming back together for me though. Sometimes I get caught up trying to logically think about it and make it more complicated than it is 

[Prabhaker]

1 minute ago, Wendelin said:

how to set the right stage

Live in the present moment, live meditatively with alertness, with awareness. Accept everything good or bad that comes in your way without judging. It needs a great courage. Your life can be price for it. 

[Wendelin]

@Prabhaker that is exactly how I would describe it :-) Great.

[Neo]

I like the word "realise" because it's not really a *doing word*. You can realise something without much effort, in fact... so little effort that you can almost start smiling before you think it...  unfortunately I get scared after this... but I'm still a noob.

[WelcometoReality]

1 hour ago, Wendelin said:

@WelcometoReality as Long as there are questions, you are not enlightened. That is right. So you Point at pure perceiving = knowing right? Vs "some completely clueless awareness" wondering about what the heck is going on...?

And there is also not really a distance to walk as you are that. But becoming Aware of that seems to be a movement from untruth to truth. So this should be more like a switching off the wrong reality vs. the real reality. This should happen at an instant as there is no in between.

Well.. No. There is no questions because there are no answers. The questions come from the mind and minds are compulsive answer seekers. Pure perceiving is not knowing, it is embracing the unknown. So when you don't look for answer with mind pure perceiving can happen without any identification to mind.

Yes you are already that. There is only a realization of that but after that realization there is a pendulum swinging between ego and the awake state. This can take time before settles in the awake state permanently.

[WelcometoReality]

7 hours ago, Bebop said:

@WelcometoRealitySorry I should have said confused haha, the pieces are slowly coming back together for me though. Sometimes I get caught up trying to logically think about it and make it more complicated than it is 

I see, it can be quite tricky to explain these things ☺. Then forget about what I said and remember this. The mind is confused, it desperately tries to come up with answers but it will never get any. You are not the mind, you are only seeing it. Embrace the confusion, let mind do it's thing. It will try to get back the control with fear and anxiety. Let yourself fall into the unknown.

[Bebop]

@WelcometoRealityHaha yeah I've been alone for most of my life and existence never really made sense to me anyway. I've lost my will to keep living many times but there was always something pushing me to keep going. Once I had my ego death it made me realize that there was something greater going on so I've decided to dedicate my life to this path since there's nothing really in the material world that interests me

[Wendelin]

@WelcometoReality I think you are drawing conclusions. You have found that you are infinite no-thingness which amounts to pure awareness vs a previously wrong idea and identification. And now you think that there cannot be more to it.

but is there an immense intelligence behind creation (which is also consciousness) or can you deny that? How can you deny it?

Why is there an empty infinite emty formless scape or no-thingness to "then" embrace all Happenings or Acts (that are there as just one big Happening) in the first place?

As there is no time and space there is there not an access to everything that has ever happened and will ever happen, to every imprint into the no-thingness? These imprints are only something that comes and goes when time is there. When time is not there they simply are there, right? No time = no erasing of the imprint.

infinite imprints = infinite Intelligence???

I just watched this Video for the 3rd time. Not that I don`t understand it, just the way it is presented to me touches me: 

universal regards, Wendelin

Edited December 4, 2016 by Wendelin

[WelcometoReality]

On 2016-12-04 at 11:30 AM, Wendelin said:

@WelcometoReality I think you are drawing conclusions. You have found that you are infinite no-thingness which amounts to pure awareness vs a previously wrong idea and identification. And now you think that there cannot be more to it.

I'm saying I don't know if there is more. ☺

On 2016-12-04 at 11:30 AM, Wendelin said:

but is there an immense intelligence behind creation (which is also consciousness) or can you deny that? How can you deny it?

Why is there an empty infinite emty formless scape or no-thingness to "then" embrace all Happenings or Acts (that are there as just one big Happening) in the first place?

As there is no time and space there is there not an access to everything that has ever happened and will ever happen, to every imprint into the no-thingness? These imprints are only something that comes and goes when time is there. When time is not there they simply are there, right? No time = no erasing of the imprint.

infinite imprints = infinite Intelligence???

Is this true for you in experience or is it mind figuring things out? I'm not saying it's not that way, I just don't know.

To me there seems like everything is happening spontaneously without anyone directing it. That is all I can say for now.

[Wendelin]

@WelcometoReality  I am just raising some questions that are very obvious to me.  I don`t know the answers but I recognize a huge intelligence in the whole creation.

of Course something is only relevant when it is in my direct experience. So all I can do in life is to enhance my perception so that I may perceive something beyond sense perception, thought and emotion.

to say I don`t know is the best thing.

Is there a director? I don`t think so too. But I cannot rule it out

does that mean everything happens spontaneously? Is there no intelligence behind it?

even Einstein said: "I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice."

Definitely there is intelligence just look at something in nature or the cosmos around the earth. The planets and the sun are in a perfect geometry to enable us to life on planet earth. an Atom and molecules are also some kind of geometry. What if our life is completely based on some Kind of Geometry? I don`t know but if there is so much intelligence even within the smallest particles (that are in fact not real particles but Kind of energetic waves) there is the possibility that it is a geometric Play, within which you as a human being are able to become Aware of from a singular perspective and be overwhelmed by it.

I don`t know if that is the case yet but that is one possibility. So I don`t want to narrow me down to believing that nothing makes any sense in existence. In fact there is only the alternative that everything makes the biggest possible sense. A Little bit sense and order a Little bit nonsense and chaos that makes no sense at all.

I probably read more than 500 of the > 4200 Near Death experiences at http://www.nderf.org/Archives/NDERF_NDEs.html and of Course "near death" is by Definition not been dead as there is no such Things. But These experiences have very much in common with Enlightenment experiences and therefore am curious what they have in common. So they are pointing to a sense behind everything. But i am Aware that this might be just be some Kind of Illusion. Only own experience is relevant. What someone tells is just a Story even if it is something you like to believe.

 

 

 

[Bebop]

@Wendelin Yeah I would trust more in your higher self and direct experience for answers. Before my awakening experience I was asking a lot of the same questions that you're asking and I realized that I was just running around in circles trying to find answers. As my awareness keeps getting higher and higher I'm realizing that my higher self already knows the answers to my questions, most likely we already know everything but we just have to relearn it/remember. Your best bet is to just sit back and enjoy the show haha don't try to overthink this stuff, when you are ready the answers will be revealed to you

[Wendelin]

That is also what I think. As soon as we give back our Body to the earth our consciousness will recognize what it is all about and what we could not see from the limited perspective of a humand mind.

You can see everything as bullshit (like everything is just growing uncontrolled like weeds without any sense or intention) or everything as holy with a sense. There is no good Things and bad Things, even shit is meaningful (and it is indeed as a dung/fertilizer for new life)

As I become more and more Aware, I am sensing that all is interconnected and that is also confirmed by enlightenment experiences, that you are in fact not your Body but everything which is just the same Thing as nothing (if you don`t narrow everything down to solid Things).

so I see life simply as a reflection of the state of awareness that you have. You can strongly identify just with your Body and just look for best possible survival and reproduction of this one only. That will produce a lot of suffering along the way. On the other side of the spectrum lies identification with everything that is and considering everything you notice as yourself with the ability to consciously respond to it (responsibility). For me that is more than a concept because suffering and emotions push us to the side that simply feels better. When our happiness is no issue, then you can live fully right?

 

[Bebop]

@Wendelin Exactly, the problem with the human mind is we are always trying to make sense of things that are happening but it's main purpose is just for survival. Life is a mystery and no one knows the reason why any of this exists, but maybe it'll make sense after we die. Also to answer your last question you live fully when you are detached from outcome and living in the present moment, and also as you raise your awareness you start to appreciate life more imo