Conspiracy people ban/block of growth

[Chosendeer]

Reading throgh the forum i saw alot of discussions pop esp around the vaccine and often threads getting closed on sometimes reasonable discussions around that and read the guidelines on not being allowed to post about genral conspiracys. now my question is doesnt that deny people growth and alienate them?

For clarification:

Before i got introduced by mild conspiracys by a friend i was standart materialistic/mainstream believer of things, nothing to special but also not much critical thinking and questioning.

I then went thru a hardcore phase of conspiracies, from rather harmless ones about corruption and the rich manipulating society to hardcore ones like holocaust question, aliens and all that crazy stuff. I also talked to people online and found people localy who were into those same topics.

These topics "opened" my mind to possibilities that the world could be completly different then i thought it was before. This led ultimately for me and another friend i made thru the conspiracies to question more about the world, which led in the end to more fundamental questions about the world, the human mind, philosophie etc. At some point we grew out of the consp. stuff and went into the pursue of enlightment, personal development, purpouse etc.

Without being able to go thru all the conspiracie stuff and without being able to express it to people with/without those opinios we wouldnt have found the deeper and more extencial topics/questions in life.

So my question is: are we not alienating people by banning them/closing topics/telling them they are full of BS? Will they then not shelter themselves even more into their believes, just retreating into echo chambers of people who are the same, never growing out of it? Sure some topics are straight up not acceptable( the jewish question for example, pure racism), but talks about people controlling polliticians etc are not hurting and maybe just what they need to take the next step

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by Chosendeer

[Johnny Galt]

yup

Edited August 18, 2021 by Johnny Galt

[Shawn Philips]

Lets say that 80% of conspiracies are false and 20% real. What can you do about it? Nothing. So you're spending your existance suffering, anger and bitter because somebody is controling the world with evil intentions and this is wrong...

For example the italian mafia rules Sicily, in this case there is no conspiracy, this is real, the government dont control shit. Do you think the sicilians spend their time mourning? No. They keep with their daily lives having a happy existance.

 

But in your case is even worse, you are wasting time, mental energy that you could dedicate to improve yourself about stories that are 80% false that a idiot invented and spread, and the ones that are true you cannot change.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Shawn Philips

[Leo Gura]

You can go elsehwere for that stuff. Don't drag your garbage into the temple.

[Chosendeer]

lol

thx for the elaboration on my question.

 

you can close this off.

[hamedsf]

some people are paid to shill.

now, imagine, would be a shiller ready to open his mind when bunch of money has already shut off his mind?

[Matt23]

I feel like this is similar to the issue of equality and "Ok, if you are for total equality, then doesn't that mean that we have to hold rapists as equal to everyone else and allow them in our culture?" Hell Na.  

I think there's a balance individuals and groups have to strike between freedom and control.  Fighting for freedom and allowing a healthy flow of ideas and information to flourish.  Fighting for control, like fighting back against Nazi Germany and not just allowing them to do what they want cuz we believe in freedom for everyone. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Matt23 said:

if you are for total equality

Nobody is for total equality. That's as dumb as being for total freedom.

The trick is striking just the perfect balance between all the extremes.

Health requires exquisite, intelligent balance & harmony.

[Nahm]

@Chosendeer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wXf08-42x4

You’re right, this is a major growth step for many people, but it hasn’t been about conspiracy per se for decades. That just means two people broke a law together. That ship sailed long ago. Laws have since been rewritten to accommodate and exclude people from the judicial system, and all legal & civil accountability. So it’s more a matter of legal reform or not. 

[Matt23]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nobody is for total equality. That's as dumb as being for total freedom.

The trick is striking just the perfect balance between all the extremes.

Health requires exquisite, intelligent balance & harmony.

Obviously.  This is exactly what I said.  I said "if you're for total equality" as an example of someone else who clealry, to me, has an unhealthy paradigm.  I don't subscribe to that.  Hence the quotation marks and "Hell na'' at the end.

[roopepa]

Many people also "get into" spirituality & existential inquiry through deep suffering, such as drug addiction, death of a loved one, suicidal depression etc.

Why don't we distribute heroin and kill each others family members then?