To scared to do 5-MeO

[OBEler]

@Sempiternity great advice. But no cremony is needed. You can take 5 meo at home if you are a responsible person

[Sempiternity]

43 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Sempiternity great advice. But no cremony is needed. You can take 5 meo at home if you are a responsible person

Sorry, that's what I meant by 'ceremony'. The act of serious spiritual work done with intention, which can be done anywhere, anytime, and with any spiritual tools. 

[JayySur]

This reminds of the time I was a kid and was afraid of swallowing medications/pills and going on roller coasters. 
 

It wasn’t until I was “pushed” by Grace/God/Infinity/etc. to just go for it. As soon as I did those things for the first time, my reality completely shifted and I was immediately able to do them again. 

[ROOBIO]

On 09/08/2021 at 9:35 AM, Raptorsin7 said:

I haven't tried 5Meo yet, but I've heard that you can microdose it. So start with a very small dose, and then work up slowly.

Yeah, my approach is gunna start real slow then work my way up to a break through dose. If I dont like it I will leave it for another time.

 

On 09/08/2021 at 2:31 PM, taotemu said:

You should be afraid of taking 5MeO-DMT.  The stuff can blow up your world like nothing else I have tried.  It is a serious drug that makes LSD seem like a cup of coffee.  Since you already have it, I suspect you will eventually work up the courage to take it.  So my only advice is to start with half of what you think you can handle.... Maybe even a quarter.  And you absolutely need a sober trip sitter as you could potentially die of aspirating on your own vomit, or seriously hurt yourself.  My one and only 5MeO trip was with 20mg of freebase smoked because I'm basically a complete idiot and was somewhat cocky going in.  I have no memory of about 10 minutes of the "trip".  The come up was terrifying and I have done up to 340ug of quality LSD so I know a strong come up.  If I ever do it again (I have 500mg of the stuff) I will probably take no more than 5mg.

I have had ego death during strong LSD trips.  I know what that is like.  5MeO spanked me and my ego so hard it is tough to compare the two.  My one big insight from taking 5MeO was that this experience of being an ego and a human being was "it".  That what I was looking for from the drug was actually a form of escape.  Enlightenment isn't about escaping your humanity, it is about fully embracing it and integrating spiritual experiences with this dualistic / temporal consensus reality.  In a way my 5MeO experience has cured me of my desire to do psychedelics again.  I know myself, I will likely do psychedelics again, but not any time soon.

I have had heavy doses with other psychedelics, its comments like this the puts me of 5-MeO. I just cant fathom how an experience from this substance can make 500ug of LSD seem like coffee. I hear people have extreme physical experiences when smoking freebase, will that be the same? The people who I have known to take the salt haven't thrown up, so do you reckon the salt is safer taking it solo? What about breathing?/ How do you manage that? I hear it feels like you are not taking in any oxygen anymore?

On 09/08/2021 at 9:58 PM, vladorion said:

If you have a lot of fear in your system, chances are you're in for a rough ride.

I have fear to different things. I handle venomous snakes and alligators as a hobby and that doesnt scare me. But I have social anxiety which can make me panicky in certain social situations.

 

On 09/08/2021 at 10:17 PM, OBEler said:

@ROOBIO I am in the same situation like you. What helped  was to experiment with low dose rectally (1 to 10 mg)

How did that help man? you reckon it can ease you into the higher doses?

[ROOBIO]

On 10/08/2021 at 3:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

It's only scary until you're dead

What happens if your ego resits its death? What does that feel like?

[OBEler]

@ROOBIO I did not take higher doses but it was a good approach. I was slowly introduced to 5 meo. I even learned the power of it on low doses. 

I am somehow in the same boat as you. But I am a step further with taking 20 times low dose already. It took a little fear from me. One day I will be ready for a mid dose. I think you will too

Edited August 11, 2021 by OBEler

[Breakingthewall]

@ROOBIO if you are going to vape, i think it's better to vape first 5 mg , and a few minutes later the rest. 5 + 8 is enough for me, but that depends on the person. start with 5 + 5, and add 2 mg (do it with 2 different pipes, or 2 flask better). if you don't get to the breakthrough it's not intimidating at all. tunnel vision, even seeing nothing but fractals with open eyes, but completely normal mind. at the breaking point you immediately go from normal, that is, a mind full of forms, to nothing, a flat mind. once you have achieved one or two breakthroughs, with low doses, type 3- 5 mg, although you keep your mind, you peek into the non-ego, quite interesting. but before the breakthrough these doses do nothing. what they say that lsd is like having a beer in comparison ... I don't think so. lsd or mushrooms can be much more challenging, they twist your mind. the 5meo is clean, noble. It's not a psychedelic, it's a eraser 

And another advice: don't drink alcohol before and after . 5 meo release and reconfigure your energy, like Kundalini. alcohol blocks this. It is very tempting to have a few beers afterwards, as if to relax the stress, and because your ego is going to try to come back as strong as he can. It is a mistake, you have to let the energy flow for a day or two. it's something very real

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Ilan]

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

@ROOBIO . lsd or mushrooms can be much more challenging, they twist your mind. the 5meo is clean, noble. It's not a psychedelic, it's an eraser

Ps: do not harm the body, it is just an image.

[taotemu]

@ROOBIO Just respect this drug.  I didn't vomit or even get nauseous so each experience is different.  Smoking freebase is the most intense way of taking it.  It comes on like a nuclear bomb.  Plugging the salt or snorting the salt may be more manageable.  But for high dose freebase 5MeO smoked, just imagine taking 300ug of pure LSD and condense the whole 12 hour experience into about 10 minutes.  That's 5MeO.  Also, keep in mind I have only had one experience with this drug.  Now that I have a whole new respect for it, if I try it again it will be MUCH lower dose.

Oh, and regarding breathing, it wasn't an issue for me.  I was hyperventilating (according to my trip sitter), but I FELT like I couldn't breathe.  Probably a brain reaction to the feeling of dying. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by taotemu

[taotemu]

1 hour ago, cypres said:

Does it bring people to oneness and therefore feel like dying? Or what kind of discomfort is there?

For me the come up felt like I was dying.  I had a sensation of a tremendous flow of energy from my pelvis up into my head.  I felt like I couldn't breathe even though I was in fact hyperventilating.  The last thing remember was almost like the feeling of falling.  It caused a sense of panic and disorientation.  I was then "gone" for about 10 minutes.  No sensations or experiences of any kind.  I didn't exist.  My next memories were holding onto my wife's face, desperate for some kind of anchor to orient towards.  I had no idea who or what I was, I had no memories of a past, where I was or that I was even a human.  Kind of like I was just teleported to this reality without any instructions or knowledge of anything.  Slowly I became oriented again and I remembered who I was and that I had just taken a drug.  The come down felt like an intense LSD experience where everything looked bright and colorful and every sensation was 10/10 intense.  This lasted only 10 - 15 minutes and I was basically back to "normal".  About 30 minutes later I started to cry from gratitude that I was back.    

[Breakingthewall]

Comments after 12 mg vaped: first, sorry for my nickname, you don't have to break, you have to make love with yourself. now I understand: when everything disappears, there is no mind, the void opens ... and suddenly everything, the experience, the reality, is a negation. This denial is not the  nothing, it is me. Saying no, you don't go beyond here. The universe is one, and that one is a no ... ufff and I still do again and again, because i forget, i remember like void, the nothingness, but that void is closed. Today I have seen through the no, the door, the one that I myself close and do not open even with a breakthrough of 18 mg, the door that is me. I have seen unity, limitless, love. I have not become it, but I have been kind to myself. I ve seen me, what I am, what I'm doing. I am someone who at one point had to take serious control. Now is the time to let it go. It is not a thing to do 25 mg vaped, it would not work. It is to leave it, to let go. I'm around. 5 meo is magic, it's an invaluable tool

Edited August 12, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

On 8/11/2021 at 1:25 AM, ROOBIO said:

What happens if your ego resits its death? What does that feel like?

A world of hurt.

[Username]

I had my third breakthrough with 15 mg vaped. Previous one was two days ago. I didn't want to wait to long because I know I would postpone it again.

I see that first experience with 5 MeO is going to be extremly shocking. The most difficult part is finding courage to do it again. During third trip I had much less resistance. I wouldn't call it pleasant but it wasn't a worst nightmare like my first one.

I suppose that vaping isn't best method. All of my trips were pleasant close to the end. The issue is that when you vape it hits really fast and HARD! You can't dissolve your resistance because you are COMPLETELY GONE within few seconds.

Oh. I did a lot of breathwork and some kriya postures before tripping. This one was especially helpful just before vaping:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kdaRIIIZhUc

 

 

[OBEler]

@Username Why dont you try plugging, if you say vaping isnt the best method.

Leo is right, that plugging doesn't hit you like a train

[Username]

@OBEler  I tried several times and it didn't work for me, even with high dose. I suspect that I put the syringe too deep.

Another issue with plugging is that you have to go to toilet before tripping. I usually do it soon after I finish eating and it's bad idea to use 5 MeO after a metal. If I don't eat my toilet timing becomes very unpredictable.

Edited August 13, 2021 by Username

[Sick Boy]

I have vaped 5MeO several times in shamanic retreats. Sometimes I was so scared of taking it that I was crying before the session. At least once I was 100% sure I was going to die and twice I thought I made such a fuss that they wouldn't me come back to the retreats. But after some minutes I realized that everything was a lie of my ego to avoid going deeper, neither my life was never at risk nor I screamed that much.

After several sessions it cured at 90% my insomnia, which was killing me. And in the last sessions its becoming a bit easier.

Also, healing my insomnia is letting me getting rid of my porn addiction, since I don't need to ejaculate to sleep anymore. And not ejaculating is helping me getting more attraction from women (which I know is something a bit shallow for a lot of people here, but hey, I'm at this stage of consciousness).

Totally worth 100% will do it again next weekend.

Edited August 14, 2021 by Sick Boy

[The0Self]

8 minutes ago, Sick Boy said:

I have taken 5MeO several times in shamanic retreats. Sometimes I was so scared of taking it that I was crying before the session. At least once I was 100% sure I was going to die and twice I thought I made such a fuss that they wouldn't me come back to the retreats. But after some minutes I realized that everything was a lie of my ego to avoid going deeper, neither my life was never at risk nor I screamed that much.

After several sessions it cured at 90% my insomnia, which was killing me. And in the last sessions its becoming a bit easier.

Also, healing my insomnia is letting me getting rid of my porn addiction, since I don't need to ejaculate to sleep anymore. And not ejaculating is helping me getting more attraction from women (which I know is something a bit shallow for a lot of people here, but hey, I'm at this stage of consciousness).

Totally worth 100% will do it again next weekend.

Awesome!

[Corpus]

I find 5 MeO DMT has some really enigmatic properties. The immediacy of its effects when vaped on dissolving the sense of self to the extremely clarified state it reliably produces becomes utterly natural to surrender to in my personal experience. So much so that I quake internally much more when presented with a dose DMT these days. A real paradox at work if we consider that the power of the former (5 MeO) exceeds that of the latter. And then the notion of power itself gets transcended.

I am fully able to appreciate how Martin Ball vaped hundreds of doses of the stuff these days. I also would state without hesitation that vaporizing DMT on the back of full MAO-A inhibition is a much more challenging endeavour than vaping 5 MeO DMT by a clear mile, IME. 

[The0Self]

1 hour ago, Corpus said:

So much so that I quake internally much more when presented with a dose DMT these days.

You referring to n,n-DMT there? If so, my experience was the same. Somehow n,n is supposed to be less fearful and more fun than 5-MeO... My experience is the exact opposite. 5-MeO is like blissful pure blinding white God mode; n,n can be almost psychotic.

 

I actually found LSD-25 (not analogues) to be a bit better for God-Realization than 5-MeO, since the thought stream and the story are a little more vivid and interesting on LSD, and it just has a flavor that is more conducive to lighting up the absolutely endless/infinite nature of the story/imagination (rather than simply obliterating the ego before you even know what’s happening) in my experience. Not to mention, the almost-too-long duration allows for much more to be explored. 5-MeO can be dosed more frequently, sure, but there’s something about that long duration of LSD that’s irreplaceable — kind of like how long meditation retreats have absolutely no substitute for producing the wildest states of samādhi.

Also, just remembered, back when I used them, I noticed that synthetic cannabinoids were very conducive to ultra highly conscious states. This was before I was even consciously or knowingly involved in spirituality, contemplation, meditation, or pretty much any serious consciousness work, so at the time even high dose psilocin was not getting me into God-mode or really even anything close (though at the time I would’ve thought it was if I had known about this stuff). With that said, the synth noids seemed to actually be more powerful! I do kind of wonder how they’d affect me now. I actually haven’t thought about it much but I really think it might be worthy of consideration because I am not kidding... at the time, they beat out psilocybin mushrooms! For me anyway. Like high doses (3-7g) of very potent fungi. Though I think the main reason I stopped was sourcing, so idk if they’re all that available these days. I’m sure they probably are, but I guess I can’t really recommend them regardless, as they are quite linked to health problems and even fatal overdoses. Even so, I do think they’re likely at least in some ways more powerful than 5-MeO, considering how far out they got me at the time — beating ketamine too, come to think of it! Though I think 5-MeO, LSD, and perhaps ketamine and a few others, along with contemplation, are quite sufficient for what we’re doing here. Just mentioning it because I remembered it.

Edited August 15, 2021 by The0Self

[taotemu]

12 hours ago, The0Self said:

I actually found LSD-25 (not analogues) to be a bit better for God-Realization than 5-MeO, since the thought stream and the story are a little more vivid and interesting on LSD, and it just has a flavor that is more conducive to lighting up the absolutely endless/infinite nature of the story/imagination (rather than simply obliterating the ego before you even know what’s happening) in my experience. Not to mention, the almost-too-long duration allows for much more to be explored. 5-MeO can be dosed more frequently, sure, but there’s something about that long duration of LSD that’s irreplaceable — kind of like how long meditation retreats have absolutely no substitute for producing the wildest states of samādhi.

This has been my experience as well.  LSD deconstructs the ego in a more controlled and reliable way then 5MeO in my experience.  5MeO is just too much, too fast to do much good.  Kind of like slowly irrigating a field, vs. a tsunami that just washes away everything leaving nothing.