Why give the enlightened experience more credibility than the standard experience?

[WelcometoReality]

@Blackhawk You start off as a separate self and as you do the work the sense of separation dissolves. It's not about trusting what 99.9% of people says or the 0.1%. It's about examining what you are experiencing for yourself if you are interested. 

[Gesundheit2]

8 hours ago, Blackhawk said:

For example the enlightened experience is that the body isn't a separate self.

But the standard experience is that the body is a separate self.

In a survey with 10 million people where they can choose between:

• A.  I know beyond doubt that I'm a separate self. 
• B.  I know beyond doubt that I'm not a separate self.

99.9% of them would choose option A.

So it makes no sense to to me believe more in what the 0.1% say and take it as "The Ultimate Truth".

Basically, why are you people listening to supposedly enlightened people?

It doesn't makes sense to you, because you're putting statistical analysis on a pedestal(Appealing to authority fallacy), and then you're favouring the majority of votes instead of true unbiased investigation (The bias fallacy).

So maybe you should question these things before jumping to conclusions. You are taking science for granted.

[Blackhawk]

5 minutes ago, Gesundheit2 said:

It doesn't makes sense to you, because you're putting statistical analysis on a pedestal(Appealing to authority fallacy), and then you're favouring the majority of votes instead of true unbiased investigation (The bias fallacy).

So maybe you should question these things before jumping to conclusions. You are taking science for granted.

My point is that you guys believe more in the 0.1% than in the 99.9%.

You guys know I'm right, you're just pretending to be clever and enlightened.

The whole reason why you even started chasing enlightenment is because you heard about it from a few people. You wouldn't invest so much time and energy into the seeking if you wouldn't believe the 0.1%.

Whatever, I forgot that everyone is always playing enlightened smartasses here instead of being honest.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Blackhawk

[Loving Radiance]

3 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

My point is that you guys believe more in the 0.1% than in the 99.9%.

You guys know I'm right, you're just pretending to be clever and enlightened.

The whole reason why you even started chasing enlightenment is because you heard about it from a few people. You wouldn't invest so much time and energy into the seeking if you wouldn't believe the 0.1%.

Whatever, I forgot that everyone is always playing enlightened smartasses here instead of being honest.

No, that is a story you project on people here on the forum.

Can you see that it isn't actually the case? People are just writing words onto a white page. What is written is not what's True.

The idea you get from texts about enlightenment and texts & talks of enlightened folks is not True.

[Gesundheit2]

25 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

My point is that you guys believe more in the 0.1% than in the 99.9%.

Lol. I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, I was just curious to know what these 0.1% were talking about. So, of course, I had to be open-minded to what they had to say. It doesn't mean I denied the 99.9% perspective, it was my perspective after all, because I was one of those 99.9%. But I was able to entertain the opposing perspective before I could realize it in my direct experience. That's not the same thing as dogma, as you seem to be suggesting. Although, I'm sure many people within spiritual circles could be very dogmatic. But they're very rare on this forum. Most folks here seem highly open-minded and appear to have very few dogmas in general. Although, sometimes some of them seem to be a little bit more rigid/closed-minded when it comes to questioning spiritual dogmas.

Edited August 8, 2021 by Gesundheit2

[Goldzilla]

We should listen to ourselves, that is the door to absolute truth. Something we discover. Nothing to do with opinions. Star tapping into own breath, very simple, cheers. 

[mememe]

@Blackhawk why does it even matter if it is an experience or not? if it happens its probably also an experience, even though it is def not at all all yours/mine.

what if we expect it to be non dual while standard and enlightened seem to be dualistically exklusive?