Meditation Without Time

[Dodo]

Today was the first time I set in meditation Without setting an alarm, and I did it because it was just the thing I wanted to do. The session seemed to be much more enjoyable than usual and I believe it was way way way better in every aspect. Especially that i didnt have to think aboit the alarm and could concentrate my attention way deeper than usual. 

It was like a game, so fun. Man, i think i will  never do meditation as a choir again, its one the most interesting thing i can do.

I think it might be important to set time if you are starting the habbit, but even then i think its counter productive. I mean the whole idea of these things is that timw is an illusion anyway

So yeah, not much structure or interesting info in this post, but it may nudge you to try not timing and getting lost in finding yourself for as long as you want. 

[Donald]

The most important thing to understand is psychological time , wich is the movement of thought . You see , when we sit to meditate we say " I should let my mind free " and so you go and assume that you are letting it free . But if you give a closer look , what you really need to do is just observe the mind. Thought will give you the info that there is the 'observer' and the 'observed' , but that itself is thought .

When you say I will let go of control , that implies the 'I' and the 'thought' wich are the same . "I will let go " is time , it is psychological time .\Try to observe whatever is there , if a sense of urge arises ( curiosity to see what the clock number is ) just observe that and be aware of it don't try to change it just observe it ,

 

[Dodo]

1 hour ago, Donald said:

The most important thing to understand is psychological time , wich is the movement of thought . You see , when we sit to meditate we say " I should let my mind free " and so you go and assume that you are letting it free . But if you give a closer look , what you really need to do is just observe the mind. Thought will give you the info that there is the 'observer' and the 'observed' , but that itself is thought .

When you say I will let go of control , that implies the 'I' and the 'thought' wich are the same . "I will let go " is time , it is psychological time .\Try to observe whatever is there , if a sense of urge arises ( curiosity to see what the clock number is ) just observe that and be aware of it don't try to change it just observe it ,

 

Thats like what happened to me during this meditation. Let me explain my current understanding / experience.

Every time i have a tought, i "jump" to the observing nothingness above it that is observing it (appearantly my self, at least thats my hypothesis ). Then next thought arises and i jump again. Calling it a jump, becaise it feels like i am zooming out and moving on. I provoke amazing visualisations and then again zoom out - as if instead of following the thought i go in the other direction, towards my center, from where the thought has arisen and so it dissolves allowing for another one to pop in. And then if i get lost in thought, i usually have a break thought that says - this is bullshit, or let go, or this will pass, but mostly let go and then I jump towards the awareness again. 

When i pay attention to my bodily sensations i also jump towards that which perceives them. It seems like the hypothesis that there is only one that perceives all those thoughts and sensations is correct for now, and also that this self doesn't really exist, because there is no limit to it. Aka, i can always jump higher / deeper and never reaching something concrete.

Does this make sense?

Edited November 28, 2016 by Dodoster

[Donald]

Try in your own experience the following 

Look at an object , ( lamp ) . Who is looking at the lamp ? Answer this in your direct  experience , don't rush !!! I recommend you do this after your meditation practice , so that the mind will be less conditioned .

Where does the looking happen ? Is the activity , the looking different from what you think "looks" at the object . Once again don't rush , don't look for an answer .You see the separate self looks at an object and it goes towards the object , on the other hand awareness point of view is just allowing the object to arise in the field of experience , it doesn't go toward the object , there is no direction in awareness . 

"You" and what is being perceived are the same , it is just a matter of conditioning .

When it comes to thoughts we are being conditioned to believe that thoughts are different from feelings , when in fact are the same process .It is important to understand this , so if a feeling arises ( urge to look at the clock )  Thought goes ' Shit I Must Control It ' .It is thought fighting thought (feeling ) . That's why there is a tremendous error here , and that's why it has been given an enormous importance to awareness / observation / attention because the solution can come only when you are aware of the absurdity of thought . If you understand the movement of thought , boom that's it , your conditioning is gone . 

Enjoy the day !!! 

[Dodo]

Thank you, will do the exercise and enjoy the day too!