God Conciousness Vs Jhana Infinite Conciousness

[wildflower]

In terms of full absorption Jhana (dissolution of any self) as taught by some Buddhist traditions (Pau Auk Sayadaw), but also monks like Ajahn Brahm. How is this infinite consciousness different to infinite consciousness on psychedelic's?

How would you know unless you did both?

Leo seems to claim that Buddhist meditation is the the reduction of consciousness and psychedelic's the power of consciousness to infinity.... but their is a 6th Jhana of infinite consciousness? How is that any different? 

 

Im not talking about the western Jhana's were self and reality still remain and are a weak dissapated version, but full absorption into a nimitta with no ego or self?

 

Obviously full Jhana is classed as one of the hardest meditative states to achieve, but I'm not talking about degree of difficulty

 

Full absportion == full absorption into a nimitta, annihilations of self or form or agent or doer etc

 

https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books/Ajahn_Brahm_The_Jhanas.htm

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by wildflower

[BipolarGrowth]

Great to see some more people talking on Jhana here first off. Anyone who has played with the sixth Jhana will probably respect the name boundless consciousness more than infinite consciousness. Infinite consciousness in my book is far more related to intensity than the sixth Jhana which is focused on you realizing that you are all of the boundless space in fifth Jhana. 
 

Infinite consciousness blows your doors off in every way. Boundless consciousness feels like you are undoubtedly everything in your field. 

[wildflower]

@BipolarGrowth  did you do full absorption as described by Ajahn Brahm

[BipolarGrowth]

1 hour ago, wildflower said:

@BipolarGrowth  did you do full absorption as described by Ajahn Brahm

I haven’t heard his descriptions but yes at some point. 

[BipolarGrowth]

Jhana is happening for you 24/7. Absorption allows you to see how each part works with the others which is huge for awakening work if you use vipassana based on the three characteristics to dissect the Jhana. Having some crazy high consciousness experience is not as impressive as to be able to clearly distinguish space from consciousness for example in a sensory level way. 

[wildflower]

Hey just want to be clear for the discussion not to be corrupted, I am only talking about full absorption, if you haven't heard about it or practiced it, you probably haven't achieved it, and will only distort the thread.

Soft Jhana (what you are describing) isn't the same as full absorption nor nearly the same. 

Please don't turn this thread into a conversation about different depths of Jhana etc, please if you can start a new thread. My original post outlines the discussion focus of this thread

[Consilience]

8 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Hey just want to be clear for the discussion not to be corrupted, I am only talking about full absorption, if you haven't heard about it or practiced it, you probably haven't achieved it, and will only distort the thread.

Soft Jhana (what you are describing) isn't the same as full absorption nor nearly the same. 

Please don't turn this thread into a conversation about different depths of Jhana etc, please if you can start a new thread. My original post outlines the discussion focus of this thread

I think the conversation naturally lends itself to soft jhanas as well though. When talking about full absorption, naturally the degrees of absorption is going to come up.

Anyways, in my experience the Jhana of Infinite Consciousness is not the same as God Consciousness. Contrary to some spiritual circles, our true nature is not awareness. A full blown jhana of infinite consciousness is a “merging” with the awareness of perception and make no mistake, it is actually infinite. It is a beautiful state and one worth exploring, but it is not God, directly. 
 

God consciousness is moving into an even subtler frequency of perception, so subtle that it’s not even perception anymore yet is inextricably linked with all of our perception and therefore, inextricably interconnected with all of reality. A glimpse of this starts to occur in the 7th Jhana.

Long story short, 6th jhana is not God consciousness. 

[wildflower]

14 minutes ago, Consilience said:

I think the conversation naturally lends itself to soft jhanas as well though. When talking about full absorption, naturally the degrees of absorption is going to come up.

Anyways, in my experience the Jhana of Infinite Consciousness is not the same as God Consciousness. Contrary to some spiritual circles, our true nature is not awareness. A full blown jhana of infinite consciousness is a “merging” with the awareness of perception and make no mistake, it is actually infinite. It is a beautiful state and one worth exploring, but it is not God, directly. 
 

God consciousness is moving into an even subtler frequency of perception, so subtle that it’s not even perception anymore yet is inextricably linked with all of our perception and therefore, inextricably interconnected with all of reality. A glimpse of this starts to occur in the 7th Jhana.

Long story short, 6th jhana is not God consciousness. 

There is full absorption into a nimitta, where all sense of self and material perception, agent, doer anything remains. I will edit it and define this criteria, in my original post. This is the only Jhana I am talking about: full absorption into nimitta, total dissolution of any doer, agent, form etc

For conversation sake, you could change it to the 7th or 8th Jhana (neither perception or non perception), but I am only talking about full absorption 

The main point I'm trying to discuss, is what could possibly be the difference in state of what Leo describes as his infinite consciousness vs traditional full absorption Jhana states, besides the fact Jhana full asborption is no self or form, lasts longer, and has more stages?

In pau auk monastery you have to master full absoprtion which is several hours in any one Jhana. 

Edited August 2, 2021 by wildflower

[BipolarGrowth]

8 hours ago, wildflower said:

Hey just want to be clear for the discussion not to be corrupted, I am only talking about full absorption, if you haven't heard about it or practiced it, you probably haven't achieved it, and will only distort the thread.

Soft Jhana (what you are describing) isn't the same as full absorption nor nearly the same. 

Please don't turn this thread into a conversation about different depths of Jhana etc, please if you can start a new thread. My original post outlines the discussion focus of this thread

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