Increase in vaccine coercion

[Stovo]

For a community supposedly aimed at self development and awakening, I'm shocked at the ignorance and stupidity in this thread. 

The evidence is there that 1) the pandemic is real, and 2) that vaccines are safe and effective. If you believe otherwise then I'm afraid you're a complete moron (sorry). 

Try reading some research papers, or journals. I know it's a lot more mentally challenging than getting your facts from social media, but you might gain some insights. 

[impulse9]

59 minutes ago, Stovo said:

1) the pandemic is real

I don't think anyone's denying that.

 

59 minutes ago, Stovo said:

2) that vaccines are safe and effective

Tell that to my friend who nearly died after a Covid shot.

 

59 minutes ago, Stovo said:

Try reading some research papers, or journals. I know it's a lot more mentally challenging than getting your facts from social media, but you might gain some insights. 

I personally know at least 10 very educated people in scientific positions who are refusing to take a shot. The world isn't black and white.

 

That said, I'm not discouraging anyone from taking a shot and I'd hate anyone to decide anything based off the posts I made here. But at the same time I have a distaste for the holier than thou attitude that some of you here display.

[knakoo]

2 hours ago, Nobody_Here said:

Today, I found out another one of my parents’ friends died of COVID yesterday.

He was anti-vaccine as of last Wednesday, when he posted an anti-vaccine TikTok video with hashtags, “#vaccine #covid19 #bs #politics #fyp #lmao #teamnovaccine #mybodymychoice.” 
Edit: Yes, I double-checked: Anti-vaccine on Wednesday, dead of COVID on Thursday. This is serious stuff, folks.

And now he’s dead. He died on the way to the hospital in an ambulance because he could no longer breathe. 

There’s really nothing left for me to say, because that really says everything I’ve been attempting to communicate to the naysayers. 

I’m out of this thread *mic drop*

 

So he had zero symptoms on Wednesday and dead the next day ? I did not know it could go that fast.

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Would it be fine to destroy the economy, destroy small businesses, destroy your currency over car accidents? Is that justifiable?

It's anti-vaxxers who are destroying the economy.

6 hours ago, knakoo said:

Do you know that Christopher Langan, the highest IQ ever recorded in the US (195), is anti vaccine ?

Shows you just how much IQ is worth

[Parththakkar12]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It's anti-vaxxers who are destroying the economy.

The lockdown rules and social-distancing rules are passed by the government, not by anti-vaxxers.

Also, you're talking about this as if 'you take the vaccine and all rules get lifted'. What if they say you need a second booster-shot? Then a third one? Then a fourth one? Because there's the delta^n variant?

They will show you the dream of 'just take the vax and have all rules be lifted'. Keep dreaming, sir! It's never gonna happen.

You should be thankful that anti-vaxxers are trying to save you from this fate! I think you're on the wrong side.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Parththakkar12

[Leo Gura]

There can't be an economy when everyone is dying sick.

[Parththakkar12]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There can't be an economy when everyone is dying sick.

How many people you know have died? Do you actually know people or is it just the media?

From those, how many had pre-existing conditions?

Even if 1% die, let's say tens of millions of people, that does not warrant this reaction. The CDC numbers said that the survival-rate was 99.98% or something!

Notice how they try to scare you with 'number of cases'. Show me the percentage, man! If you have a percentage, okay fine, it is a 'pandemic'. Then I'm somewhat convinced.

https://fullfact.org/online/covid-19-survival-rate-less-998/

Here's a 'fact-checker' on this. They are the almighty FACT-CHECKERS of all people, right?! You would trust them as the ultimate authority, the ultimate source of information, right?! They are even above your 'experts and doctors' because they censor the experts, doctors who have some brain-cells. I mean, to say that your facts are the right ones and that other people's facts are 'anecdotal' means to have the ultimate epistemic authority, right?! There you go.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Parththakkar12

[Parththakkar12]

And by the way, notice how the almighty fact-checkers, who are God's messengers, apparently, as far as us mere mortal humans are concerned, get lost in the content and don't focus on the structure. They do this deliberately, to push their narrative!

Edited August 7, 2021 by Parththakkar12

[Leo Gura]

@Parththakkar12 If you continue with your Covid denial you will be banned.

You give Actualized.org a bad look with your nonsense logic.

[Parththakkar12]

@Leo Gura Which part does not make sense to you? 

Just say you're gonna roll with the narrative. That's fine. If that's the case, this discussion ends here and you can have your name. 

Edited August 7, 2021 by Parththakkar12

[albitulita]

This issue obviously triggers some emotional reactions in everyone, which is completely normal having into consideration how much our worldview has been shaken the last year, but we should always try to look at each other from an angle of compassion and understanding, we all know being judgmental is not the best way to live life, there is not black/white/right/wrong solution to this matter, too many interests involved, in an individual and collective level so it’d be beneficial for all of us to stop patronizing the side we don’t agree with and try to be more humans overall, call me crazy...

[Thought Art]

People are paranoid and there is so many information streams and people spreading fear and misinformation. Be really careful when you use things like "Content vs Structure" to justify your world views or ignorance. 

Chances are, we are actually mislead and confused about the content and the structure and are bending reality to make things fit our own personal, paranoid, conspiratory mind. If you read that fact checking page, imo its pretty grounded and making key distinctions people need to know. In the age of information when everyone can share whatever they think regardless of qualification we need fact checkers. Instead of shitting on them, look into the structure of information. 

Believing emotional uneducated people on social media, or believing specialist and doctors from around the world?

Or, if you aren't sure why not step into a radical not knowing from an unattached view so you can contemplate, observe and make judgements over time. It's not easy for any of us to know what is really going on. Instead of 'thinking I know the truth' and defending my own narrative, I observe and become a collector of goodies. Collecting information from different people over time and creating a map of probability. 

Personally, I think my government is doing a good job with Covid and I am very grateful. I don't think there are any conspiracies going on. This is something a globalized world must go through to mature I think.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Thought Art

[Carl-Richard]

6 hours ago, Parththakkar12 said:

Even if 1% die, let's say tens of millions of people, that does not warrant this reaction.

You have to view global pandemics like COVID-19 like a cancer. If it isn't stopped in the early stages, it could eventually doom the entire system. I keep talking about the possibility of it spawning more lethal variants who are just as much if not more contagious, and while I have no idea of the actual probability of such an event, just the mere possibility of it should scare the shit out of you. Even so, such a scenario is only the worst case. There are many other ways that could make everything go to shit.

Edited August 7, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Plabs]

What do you guys think about the study Joe mentions at the beginning ? Did you hear about it ?

How do we know that vaccinated people are not a source of mutation as well ? Any studies on that ?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Plabs said:

How do we know that vaccinated people are not a source of mutation as well ? Any studies on that ?

Only if we half-ass the vaccinations. He even specifically said it: "imperfect vaccination can enhance the transmission of virulent pathogens".

Edited August 7, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[Danioover9000]

  The denial of covid lethality in this thread is disgusting. Go and get vaccinated.

   For those who have allergic reactions to vaccines, take extra precautions and make sure you are eating healthier, sleep better, napping and exercising enough. Manage your stress as well, as build up of stress weakens immune system. Go do that, and not implicitly discourage the majority to not get vaccinated. Just because you happen to have adverse reactions, does not justify anti vax projection onto the people.

   Dogma is dogma, and this thread is getting dogmatic each day. Notice that.

[Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj]

[Parththakkar12]

2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

You have to view global pandemics like COVID-19 like a cancer. If it isn't stopped in the early stages, it could eventually doom the entire system. I keep talking about the possibility of it spawning more lethal variants who are just as much if not more contagious, and while I have no idea of the actual probability of such an event, just the mere possibility of it should scare the shit out of you. Even so, such a scenario is only the worst case. There are many other ways that could make everything go to shit.

All i would suggest is - Have faith that nature is with you instead of against you. If you believe in the Law of Attraction, one of the principles is that all forces in the universe are on your side to getting what you want. If you're so scared of viruses, you are scared of nature. I would face my fear of nature if I were in your position.

Between nature and the pharma industry, who do you trust more? I trust nature! Who do you trust more - the Infinite Intelligence that created the whole universe, or an industry that sells you an illusion that you can control and stop this Infinite Intelligence from doing what it wants to do? Governments will most definitely sell you this illusion because their whole business-model is safety.

[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

All i would suggest is - Have faith that nature is with you instead of against you.

Death, disease and suffering is completely natural. Nature is not on Team Human. Nature is completely neutral and unbiased. If you let the virus win, then the virus wins.

[Parththakkar12]

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Death, disease and suffering is completely natural.

Death is natural. Disease is natural. Suffering, not so much! Nature would not want you to suffer.

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nature is not on Team Human. Nature is completely neutral and unbiased. 

Nature IS on Team Human! If you don't see this, you are unconscious of it.

To see this though, the human has to become completely neutral and unbiased. That's its own can of worms.

12 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

If you let the virus win, then the virus wins.

What if you see that the virus is you? You are the virus!

What if you see that the virus is a construction of your own mind? I'm not saying an imaginary you won't perform any imaginary actions to kill an imaginary virus. I'm just saying that if you see this, you won't be so scared of it. The way you deal with it won't be out of fear!

Edited August 7, 2021 by Parththakkar12