Leo and his behaviors and actions

[The0Self]

18 minutes ago, knakoo said:

So you do feel some subtle egoic tendencies no ? When I watch or listen to some people I do not feel any egoic tendencies, just grace.

Slightly, but in a way, not really... But if you only detect grace... You know, in a way, it's arrogant to worry about not being arrogant. That's the thing. Not that I think Leo is even slightly arrogant, but I can tell others think he is.

Edited July 30, 2021 by The0Self

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, knakoo said:

But can you be totally selfless and still suffer ?

Yes BUT only by choice 

[wildflower]

What Leo isn't recognizing or admitting for some reason is that self and suffering and non-self/selflessness and not suffering are inversely correlated on a single continuum.

That is to say the more selfish you are the more you will exist independently and will suffer, and the less selfish you are the less 'you' will suffer. This is a game of words or concepts at some point, because the less selfish you are, the less of you there is to even suffer or care about suffering, this is a type of paradox, but none the less it should be understood

Edited July 30, 2021 by wildflower

[krockerman]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Your capacity for Love is directly proportional to your degree of consciousness. This is not something you can fake with wishful thinking.

That’s not true, Being higher couscous means does not mean more Love and morality 

[The0Self]

Just now, krockerman said:

That’s not true, Being higher couscous means does not mean more Love and morality 

Not true at all man. It actually does mean precisely that.

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, knakoo said:

But can you be totally selfless and still suffer ?

There are many degrees of selflessness and consciousness.

In practice you will not be totally selfless.

@wildflower I am done trying to explain things to you.

[wildflower]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are many degrees of selflessness and consciousness.

In practice you will not be totally selfless.

@wildflower I am done trying to explain things to you.

No worries, like said above I just seen your video were you disclaim this topic. There is no division, its all good, was just seeking clarification

[wildflower]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are many degrees of selflessness and consciousness.

In practice you will not be totally selfless.

@wildflower I am done trying to explain things to you.

Just want to say again that I hadn't watched all your videos, and just watching now the dangers of misapplying spiritual teachings. I asked in my original post if you had spoken about these things, which you have, so my bad, wasn't ever intending any conflict etc, just clarification

Hopefully there is no tension between us. Btw your an INTP within Jungian psychology if thats interesting for you Im not sure but explains your quest for truth. Im an ENTP which is similiar

Edited July 30, 2021 by wildflower

[Windappreciator]

3 minutes ago, wildflower said:

Btw your an INTP within Jungian psychology if thats interesting for you Im not sure but explains your quest for truth. Im an ENTP which is similiar

Oh. Maybe you can date?

[knakoo]

37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There are many degrees of selflessness and consciousness.

In practice you will not be totally selfless.

@wildflower I am done trying to explain things to you.

You seem to think that the complete end of suffering is impossible. Is that your perspective ?

This reminded me of a previous comment of yours on this :

"I guarantee you anyone you know who's so called "enlightened" will suffer if their health gets bad enough, and they will wish for their good health back.

I have never claimed to be above suffering or health problems. This is a naive expectation.

If I hit Sadhguru over the head with a hammer, his whole world will crash and he will struggle to do this job."

From my perspective, if this happened to someone like Sadhguru, his abilities would be diminished of course, but he would not suffer. 

[The0Self]

34 minutes ago, knakoo said:

You seem to think that the complete end of suffering is impossible. Is that your perspective ?

This reminded me of a previous comment of yours on this :

"I guarantee you anyone you know who's so called "enlightened" will suffer if their health gets bad enough, and they will wish for their good health back.

I have never claimed to be above suffering or health problems. This is a naive expectation.

If I hit Sadhguru over the head with a hammer, his whole world will crash and he will struggle to do this job."

From my perspective, if this happened to someone like Sadhguru, his abilities would be diminished of course, but he would not suffer. 

Well, the COMPLETE end of suffering is not possible, simply because it's not something else over there. For something to be possible, it has to also conceivably not be inevitable.

Edited July 30, 2021 by The0Self

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, knakoo said:

From my perspective, if this happened to someone like Sadhguru, his abilities would be diminished of course, but he would not suffer.

You are being naive. He would suffer.

[Enlightenment]

4 hours ago, knakoo said:

From my perspective, if this happened to someone like Sadhguru, his abilities would be diminished of course, but he would not suffer. 

 

Culadasa has a pretty weird definition of suffering. Constantly waking up, not being able to get any deep sleep due to problems with breathing, feeling panic, discomfort to the point of contemplating suicide is obviously suffering in most people's definition, but not for Culadasa. Be aware that people might mean a different thing than you when they say suffering

[The0Self]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You are being naive. He would suffer.

True, but only by allowing it to be so — if he’s as conscious as I presume he is. Allowing oneself suffering in situations that seem to call for it can help to keep a very highly conscious entity grounded and connected and embodied with other beings they interact with and teach.

Edited July 31, 2021 by The0Self