Paradox

[ygorborges2]

Why do engliment work to be happy if don't exist a me to be happy ?

[Prabhaker]

@ygorborges2

You can't be happy forever as you are, happy persons don't ask this type of questions !

[Pallero]

(I'm not enlightened) But I think that the fact that makes you happy is the fact that you're one with all reality. You no longer suffer from loneliness or other feelings of separation/difference/isolation and that feels very very nice.

[WelcometoReality]

@ygorborges2 There is never a person. There is just the illusion of a person seeking happiness. Illusion searching for truth. 

The irony is that true happiness occurs when this illusion of the person is seen through. That the person itself is the one causing unhappiness.

[Pallero]

@WelcometoReality  You are not a person, but you can feel happy. Isn't that interesting! <3

[WelcometoReality]

@Pallero Yes, happiness is experienced without a you attached to it. It's interesting that the whole world is stuck in the illusion of self and all the fear and attempts to control everything that comes with it.

[Pallero]

@WelcometoReality Yeah, everybody is saying "I want to be happy, ME ME ME!" And what we think we want is in fact impossible. It's funny and interesting. And then when we hear about enlightenment, we say "I don't want that, that sounds like misery. How can enlightenment bring me happiness if there's no me? No, I want to be happy, ME ME ME!"

[Bob84]

@ygorborges2 The real paradox is that you are suffering because you make yourself suffer.
In perspective, picture the most horrible memory/thought you have. Now picture a memory/thought of a tomato. Whats really the difference between these thoughts (outcomes like emotional reactions excluded)?

[Dodo]

7 minutes ago, Bob84 said:

@ygorborges2 The real paradox is that you are suffering because you make yourself suffer.
In perspective, picture the most horrible memory/thought you have. Now picture a memory/thought of a tomato. Whats really the difference between these thoughts (outcomes like emotional reactions excluded)?

Issue with that: how am i the one that makes myself suffer if i had no or limited control into the machine i am currwntly experiencing? 

[Bob84]

@Dodoster I mainly mean emotional suffering.
When you attach to thoughts, more thoughts come and so do emotions.
The horrible and the tomato are the same, its just that most people (in comparison) don't attach much to a tomato (unless that's like your favorite food ).

I have never seen anyone cry or suffer because of a tomato.

[Dodo]

4 minutes ago, Bob84 said:

@Dodoster I mainly mean emotional suffering.
When you attach to thoughts, more thoughts come and so do emotions.
The horrible and the tomato are the same, its just that most people (in comparison) don't attach much to a tomato (unless that's like your favorite food ).

I have never seen anyone cry or suffer because of a tomato.

I suffer because of the lack of good tomatoes in cities

[Prabhaker]

20 minutes ago, Bob84 said:

I have never seen anyone cry or suffer because of a tomato.

In India , many times a ruling party loses elections, if the prices of tomato, potato or onion are too high !