Feminist civil war - a study of stage green conflict

[Raze]

I have found an example of a conflict within stage green to study. The stage green feminist movement seems to be having a 'civil war' moment. Basically it is splitting into two sides, "Radical Feminists" (also called TERFS, and Gender Critical), and LGBTQ affirming Feminists (also called trans affirming feminists, or transfeminism).

The conflict is arising because radical feminists insist transwomen are transwomen, not women, and as such they should not be allowed to do various things like be allowed in women's bathrooms or play sports with women. The transfeminists are arguing that gender is a social construct, and transwomen are women, and it is discrimination to treat them differently.

example 1:

The Maya Forstater incident. https://archive.ph/Kq8gs Maya was a tax expert, but lost her job after she said things deemed transphobic on twitter, ex:

The situation got more attention after J.K. Rowling tweeted out in support of her:

She continued to double down on the position including retweeting Gender critical articles and mocking genderless language in other articles, as well as posting an essay espousing her viewpoints. https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

This heavily damaged Rowling's reputation among liberal circles despite her massive initial popularity. Various actors from the Harry Potter films as well as her publisher made counter statements, and a lot of Harry Potter fan sites and forums distanced themselves from her. A J.K. Rowling billboard in Vancouver was taken down https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/j-k-rowling-billboard-taken-down-in-vancouver-after-facing-backlash 

You can look up 'Jk Rowling' on twitter to see many of the tweets criticizing her and denouncing her. 

Transfeminists argue that she is wrong and harming trans people, for example this tweet from a trans child support UK Charity Mermaids 

 

example 2:

Conservative author Abigail Shrier released a book called 'Irreversible Damage', basically arguing that many girls who don't actually have gender dysphoria are claiming to be trans because they are confused and pressured by peers, but the medical industry is fast tracking them to transition and many will regret it.

The radical feminists embraced and supported her book. However the trans-affirming feminists criticized her book and argued that it's misinformation and she is unfairly attacking trans people and putting them in danger and are campaigning against the book. 

Amazon refused to take the book down despite employee protest, but barred it from being advertised. LGBT supporting organization PRIDE petitioned for a library to not carry the book, but after they refused to remove it PRIDE cut ties with them. The American Booksellers association posted an apology because the book ended up being included in one of their reading lists, they stated it was an act of violence against Trans people that they do not support. But they privated their twitter account after getting backlash from both the radical feminists and the trans affirming feminists who felt their apology wasn't sufficient. 

example 3:

Famous Nigerian feminist author Chimamanda Adichie stated in an interview that 'Transwomen are transwomen', 

After this she received backlash and walked it back stating that it's because transwomen have different problems that need their own attention. However she later backed J.K. Rowling. Recently she published an essay basically saying that after making this statement people she had helped were attacking her on twitter and lying about her https://www.chimamanda.com/news_items/it-is-obscene-a-true-reflection-in-three-parts/

example 3:

The issue is accelerating. Although it seems that the large feminist organizations are backing the trans affirming feminists side, more famous feminists like Julie Bindel are coming out in support of the radical feminist side, and a radical feminist organization called WoLF (women's liberation front) has formed. There was a conflict at a location called 'Wi Spa' in California which I made a thread about before.

Lessons:

This is a good example of not only how stage green handles conflicts, but how it handles conflicts within itself. Some traits I noticed

1. Putting enemies in one basket 

Both sides have a tendency to accuse the other side of being a part of other groups that they are against, for example here is a trans affirming feminist accusing TERF's of being part of the GOP, you can also find many posting that TERF's are alt-right adjacent 

Likewise the TERF's accuse the transwomen of being misogynistic men, and the trans affirming feminists to be a branch of the 'Men's Right's' movement, which is a smaller movement comprised of critics of feminists from varying political leanings. Even J.K. Rowling tweeted this

In reality, men's rights activists are ignored and attacked by both sides of the feminist debate, and seem to have not picked a side in this conflict.

Basically, the tactic is to associate a group you disagree with, with other groups you disagree with.

2. Accusations of wide bigotry

The trans-affirming feminists, rather than just accuse terfs of transphobia, actually widen their claims and accuse them of various other isms and phobia's, here is one example. 

At the same time terfs accuse trans affirming feminists of being misogynistic and anti-woman, and call transwomen men.

3. Censorship

Both sides seem to support the idea of speech limitations to avoid harm. As a result they support censorship for the other side as they believe they pose a danger to minorities. At the moment the TERF's are losing this battle, and the trans affirming feminists have managed to get some victories such as getting reddit to shut down the largest TERF form /r/gendercritical and other related subreddits. In addition TERF's seem to be unable to get on mainstream news outlets aside from conservative ones, with an exception being a brief part of a 60 minutes segment which they took some heat over.

1. Do you support a side? Do you believe both sides have good points?

2. How would this conflict change if it was comprising stage yellow people?

3. Who will 'win'? At the moment it seems TERF's are gaining ground in the UK, while mostly losing in the USA. The Biden administration has supported the trans affirming feminist side, while the TERF's are supporting republican bills to limit transgender treatment for minors or ban transgenders from competing in sports.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Raze

[Opo]

It's blue/orange vs green. 

I support the green side a lot more. The only thing I disagree is the women in sports and even if we wanted to do it the way it is now is stupid. 

[Preety_India]

I don't support Rowling on this. 

However I won't consider this radical Feminism.

Radical Feminism is the extreme alt wing of male hating feminism which is very dangerous and encourages bossy behaviour in women and puts women on a pedestal and doesn't provide scope for egalitarian approach to gender.

 

 

[Jacob Morres]

i support the side that's willing to have conscious, empathetic discussions lmao 

but these civil rights movements are always so ugly fr.

at least it's better than having a war lol 

Edited July 22, 2021 by Jacob Morres

[Raze]

17 hours ago, Opo said:

It's blue/orange vs green. 

I support the green side a lot more. The only thing I disagree is the women in sports and even if we wanted to do it the way it is now is stupid. 

How are they blue and orange? Their reasoning is classic green identity politics.

[Opo]

45 minutes ago, Raze said:

How are they blue and orange? Their reasoning is classic green identity politics.

Just because someone talks about identity doesn't mean it's green. Hitler talked a lot about the white race. 

They see the world in black and white or man or woman and can't process a spectrum. They blindly defend bathrooms just because it's a tradition....

Just type into yt "vaush terf" to see the difference in spiral development. I don't remember a specific one but they should all do the trick.