Does Meditation Make You Better Than Others ?

[avk123]

Good day folks,

I have had this thought for the past few weeks, and I realized the following question, do you think meditation makes you better than other people ? does it give you a sense of superiority in whatever field because you meditate everyday ? 

Edited November 23, 2016 by avk123
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[Bob84]

My ego seems to think so. Then again it does that with everything. Even when getting a new car in GTA  or posting this msg.

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[RossE]

Honestly, to start with, yes I did. 

But the ego has to feel special remember. The one feeling superior is the ego, it's the game it plays all the time.

If one goes around preaching about their meditation it will just be annoying to others, no matter how good the person thinks it is. It's like somebody telling you how good their children are when you couldn't give less of a shit.

If you think it's making you a better person to meditate/become enlightened then that's more lies I'm afraid. I don't even think it's getting me anywhere but I'm in too deep and will keep doing it daily. Don't really discuss it with anyone now, nor do I judge others who don't do it. Many people just don't want to sit and do nothing for ages, which is fair enough. I do enjoy it but also realise its meaninglessness.

[Live Life Liam]

3 hours ago, avk123 said:

Good day folks,

I have had this thought for the past few weeks, and I realized the following question, do you think meditation makes you better than other people ? does it give you a sense of superiority in whatever field because you meditate everyday ? 

It can but only if you turn spirituality into another ego game.

Remember what your meditating for and recognize the traps your mind can make and it will be okay.

[Dodo]

Yeah, so what if you're better than others or think it. That is also observed by you. Its just as "bad" to think you are worse than others. But both are observed and allowed to be, but dont attach your sense of self to these thoughts.. The only problem is attachment, right?

 

Let yourself feel superior for a while, just like you could let yourself drink alcohol or do drugs. Just dont get addicted

Edited November 23, 2016 by Dodoster

[Anlib]

That's one of tye few and only ways your ego works, if you would not meditate, your ego would still find 1000 of ways to feel superior. The "TRUTH" is that meditation is an action like any other action. Like raping a child. Or jumping off a cliff. It has no direct meaning, only the ego says so. 

Meditation does not makes you a better human being, even if you ego STRONGLY wanna belive that

[Anlib]

For example, the reason I commented was not to make you know something, it was for my own egoic desires and needs.

[Dodo]

58 minutes ago, Anlib said:

That's one of tye few and only ways your ego works, if you would not meditate, your ego would still find 1000 of ways to feel superior. The "TRUTH" is that meditation is an action like any other action. Like raping a child. Or jumping off a cliff. It has no direct meaning, only the ego says so. 

Meditation does not makes you a better human being, even if you ego STRONGLY wanna belive that

I have issue with what you said. The very fact we are talking about whether it makes you better human being means we are talking from the point of view of humanity aka ego. Raping a child makes you a worse human being - fact. Meditation makes you a better human being - fact. But humility wont allow you to go blab it or even feel pleasure out of it. And meditation teaches humility too i guess.

We cant talk about the ultimate truth if the question is based in human values. If you are peaceful you are better human being than one who does crime and war - fact. Universally, doesnt matter whether you are a good or bad human being, cause there isnt good or bad. You cant both be in your egoic conciousness and talk about the universal truths as if they are your present moment fact. Be a good human being for everyone's sake.

It All depends on the point of view you are seeing things from. 

If we look at it from some child raping ranklist, you would be better if you raped and worse if you meditate

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[avk123]

Hmm it seems that meditation is not really good or bad in itself, nor is the person acting upon it. 

If you want to get drunk you drink, if you want to feel hunger you starve, if you want to feel at rest you sleep, If you want to feel something you do something, If you want to feel less tense you meditate. 

it has no significant meaning in itself or in the person acting upon it. 

Think of paradoxes 

We are only chasing the feeling it gives us. 

 

 

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[avk123]

Just now, Dodoster said:

I have issue with what you said. The very fact we are talking about whether it makes you better human being means we are talking from the point of view of humanity aka ego. Raping a child makes you a worse human being - fact. Meditation makes you a better human being - fact. But humility wont allow you to go blab it or even feel pleasure out of it. And meditation teaches humility too i guess.

We cant talk about the ultimate truth if the question is based in human values. If you are peaceful you are better human being than one who does crime and war - fact. Universally, doesnt matter whether you are a good or bad human being, cause there isnt good or bad. You cant both be in your egoic conciousness and talk about the universal truths as if they are your present moment fact. Be a good human being for everyone's sake.

It All depends on the point of view you are seeing things from. 

If we look at it from some child raping ranklist, you would be better if you raped and worse if you meditate

Good point 

[Anlib]

Yeah ofc the levels of conscuiousness are different, but still, whether something is judged good or bad is dependent on someones awareness.

If someone with mediocre awareness is judgeing something, what makes him more than someone below or higher?  There are different perspectives no matter were your awareness is at, but the ultimate goal is to see that your ideas is just ideas, not truth because truth is not something you know, it's something you become aware of.

The only difference you made was to involve the collective ego, which does'nt make it more true at all.

[avk123]

Just now, Anlib said:

Yeah ofc the levels of conscuiousness are different, but still, whether something is judged good or bad is dependent on someones awareness.

If someone with mediocre awareness is judgeing something, what makes him more than someone below or higher?  There are different perspectives no matter were your awareness is at, but the ultimate goal is to see that your ideas is just ideas, not truth because truth is not something you know, it's something you become aware of.

The only difference you made was to involve the collective ego, which does'nt make it more true at all.

I see a huge loop here lol

[Anlib]

It's just ideas upon ideas upon ideas, and  that too was an idea. It's just bullshit and mental masturbation.

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[Pallero]

@avk123  Seconding (thirding? fourthing?) everyone here. Meditation did and does make me feel superior but it has also helped me to see that it's my ego that feels superior, not the real me. So yeah, it's normal, nothing to worry about.