Could Biden effectively arm twist members of Congress like FDR and LBJ did?

[Hardkill]

I know that people like Leo and other pragmatic left wingers have already talked about how unrealistic and impractical progressives generally are when it comes to actually getting some kind of significant form of progress done for the greater good of the country.

However, progressives have frequently talked about the idea of of having the top Democratic leaders in Washington do unilateral arm twisting on every Democrat Congressmen and even some centrist Republicans that would aggressively pressure enough members of both chambers of Congress to vote for essential Democratic legislation for the greater good of the country. They believe that is one of the effective ways to actually making fundamental changes truly happen for our society. Progressives keep mentioning how Corporate or Establishment Dems including Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi constantly negotiate and compromise too much with the other side including Republicans because most Democrats since the past 4 decades have been too weak, don't know how to fight for what they want, and are too easily persuaded by their lobbyists. 

They also say that FDR and Lyndon B. Johnson were known for making fundamental changes for the greater good of our country because they each skillfully applied enough pressure on both the Republican and Democratic caucuses within both chambers of Congress that would force enough members of Congress to vote for FDR's legislative proposals and LBJ's legislative proposals.

That's why progressives all around the country are pressuring Biden to do the very same thing FDR and LBJ did to get real things done and have been constantly saying that if Bernie was our President instead of Biden, then Bernie would've since the very beginning of his administration been so much more aggressive towards Congress than Biden has been that not only would we have already had some real meaningful changes for our country by now, but also Bernie would've continue applying constant strong hardball tactics on Congress in order to further get even more fundamental progressive changes made for the greater good of our country:

 

What do you guys think?

Edited July 11, 2021 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

No, because it is not in his character structure.

You arw asking if a dog can behave like a cat. A dog was elected, not a cat. Accept the dog as a dog.

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No, because it is not in his character structure.

You arw asking if a dog can behave like a cat. A dog was elected, not a cat. Accept the dog as a dog.

So, then wouldn't that mean that progressives are right about Biden too weak in character? 

Also, do you think that if Bernie were president and if he had done a lot of those FDR or LBJ tactics on enough members of Congress, that Bernie would've actually been much more successful with getting a lot of new liberal or progressive laws passed?

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Hardkill said:

So, then wouldn't that mean that progressives are right about Biden too weak in character?

Biden is a status quo establishment guy. That was his whole campaign message. That's what people voted for. There were no surprises.

It's not that he's weak per se, he's just not somehow who's gonna fight the system.

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Also, do you think that if Bernie were president and if he had done a lot of those FDR or LBJ tactics on enough members of Congress, that Bernie would've actually been much more successful with getting a lot of new liberal or progressive laws passed?

I doubt it.

Progressives like TYT and Secular Talk love to frame the situation as though going into Washington to fight will make everyone capitulate, but I think the reality is much starker. Those tactics aren't often used because they probably won't work. People in the minority cannot effectively dictate policy. And Progressives are definitely a minority of the population, despite whatever polls Progressives love to cite. Policy polls aren't how people vote. Intimidation is not a very effective way for leading people.

[Joel3102]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Biden is a status quo establishment guy. That was his whole campaign message. That's what people voted for. There were no surprises.

It's not that he's weak per se, he's just not somehow who's gonna fight the system.

I doubt it.

Progressives like TYT and Secular Talk love to frame the situation as though going into Washington to fight will make everyone capitulate, but I think the reality is much starker. Those tactics aren't often used because they probably won't work. People in the minority cannot effectively dictate policy. And Progressives are definitely a minority of the population, despite whatever polls Progressives love to cite. Policy polls aren't how people vote. Intimidation is not a very effective way for leading people.

Yeah the dirty secret that populists on both sides miss, is that American democracy actually works pretty well, and the representatives usually reflect the values of the overall population. 

[Hardkill]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Biden is a status quo establishment guy. That was his whole campaign message. That's what people voted for. There were no surprises.

It's not that he's weak per se, he's just not somehow who's gonna fight the system.

I doubt it.

Progressives like TYT and Secular Talk love to frame the situation as though going into Washington to fight will make everyone capitulate, but I think the reality is much starker. Those tactics aren't often used because they probably won't work. People in the minority cannot effectively dictate policy. And Progressives are definitely a minority of the population, despite whatever polls Progressives love to cite. Policy polls aren't how people vote. Intimidation is not a very effective way for leading people.

On 7/12/2021 at 7:53 AM, Joel3102 said:

Yeah the dirty secret that populists on both sides miss, is that American democracy actually works pretty well, and the representatives usually reflect the values of the overall population. 

I see. Well, then it really begs the question of how FDR or LBJ were able to successfully pressure enough members of Congress to vote for their agendas.

 

 

[Opo]

On 12/07/2021 at 2:13 PM, Leo Gura said:

despite whatever polls Progressives love to cite. Policy polls aren't how people vote. Intimidation is not a very effective way for leading people.

They cite nation wide polls which are more left leaning because of the electoral college. 

More progressives should know that those people in the senate represent their own small parts of the country which are more conservative. So they stop being so pissy. 

On 12/07/2021 at 4:53 PM, Joel3102 said:

Yeah the dirty secret that populists on both sides miss, is that American democracy actually works pretty well, and the representatives usually reflect the values of the overall population. 

Lol no. 

Trump got elected with 3 million less votes. 

[StarfoxEpiphany]

@Opo You're forgetting the 4.5 million votes that Gary Johnson recieved in 2016. 

Those weren't woke feminists.

[Hardkill]

On 7/13/2021 at 11:57 PM, Opo said:

They cite nation wide polls which are more left leaning because of the electoral college. 

More progressives should know that those people in the senate represent their own small parts of the country which are more conservative. So they stop being so pissy. 

Lol no. 

Trump got elected with 3 million less votes. 

So, what was FDR's and LBJ secret to making Congress capitulate?

[Opo]

3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

So, what was FDR's and LBJ secret to making Congress capitulate?

No idea. 

Ask google.