Does insecurity exist in higher spiral stages

[Thunder Kiss]

Do insecurities ever completely go away up the spiral? It seems many insecurities come from the shadows of mostly stage orange and below..   
 

..Is it possible to to change a negative self image completely as you reach higher spiral stages.. or will that shadow always be there deep down ? 
 

Feeling no matter what I do I will never be total negative image free..

[Matt23]

Hmm, I remember hearing or reading something about how higher stages, like Green, still have worries and things.  And I imagine even tier-2 folks still have imperfections, worries, and the like.  Though, the quality and character of those worries is probably different.  Like, a stage Red person might be worried about not being seen as tough, whereas a stage Green person might be more worried about saying something to offend someone else.  A stage Yellow person might be more worried about, I dunno... not being intellectually honest, or being inauthentic, or something... Dunno.

Are you meaning "insecurities" as a general term that encompasses any sort of fear, hurt, pain, unconfidence, anger, addiction, or the like?  Or do you mean strictly as having a negative self-image?  Though, these two things are probably intimately related and self-causing.  

I imagine that yes, even people higher on the spiral do experience all the negativities or insecurities other people do, though probably at extremely lower levels and to lesser amounts.  And I could even imagine different people at higher stages having different degrees of negative feelings and thoughts between them.  Like take two stage Yellow people; one could experience more self-doubt or insecurity then the other.  

I'm not sure though obviously.  Purely speculatory.  

I'm basing my guesses of a hunch that many people, myself included, who are introduced to the SD model interpret people at higher stages, like Green, Yellow, and Turquoise, as these god-like "perfect" people without any fears, worries, or insecurities.  I'm not sure, but I'm willing to bet that that's an inaccurate picture.  They probably have all the same issues as other people do, just they may deal with them in more healthy ways.  

But, hey, they could be also just really super positive and secure more than the average person as well.  Which is also probably the case to an extent. 

Short answer: no idea lol

Edited July 11, 2021 by Matt23

[Carl-Richard]

Ken Wilber goes into this: the difference between "waking up", "growing up" and "cleaning up". As I understand it, SDi doesn't track these different aspects to the same extent, particularily the "cleaning up" aspect, as it relates to the interplay between trauma and personal predispositions. For instance, what does it really mean to say you're Stage Blue or Yellow in terms of having worked through something like deeply imbedded childhood trauma?

[blackchair]

yes, nobody is perfect, and at the Tier 2 stages....

especially when there are health problems.....

Edited July 11, 2021 by blackchair

[Godishere]

If we consider insecurities a survival strategy, then I believe it's impossible to completely transcend the duality of insecurity/security(in human form).

If you are willing and ready to die, then maybe. So potentially at the turquoise stage of development. Still, I'm sure if someone took you hostage and tortured/raped you for a few weeks you would be highly insecure.

[Moksha]

Alan Watts has a nice book that I recommend adding to your reading list: The Wisdom of Insecurity. 

Life is unavoidably insecure. In a transient cosmos, how can anything be secure? Everything is born, and everything must die. Chasing after security is the definition of suffering. It is a fool's errand.

The answer is not to clamor up a conceptual model like Spiral Dynamics. It is to let go of the insane egoic demand for certainty, and directly realize that your ultimate nature is already secure.

Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.

- A Course in Miracles

[BlackMaze]

No it doesn't. You are not an insecure ego. Even if thoughts or emotions of insecurity arise it doesn't matter. You are not trapped in these things.