Leo not being careful with teachings?

[Nahm]

@kinesinFolks aren’t experiencing Leo though (in this regard), only the videos / content / delivery, and interpretation / understanding of. 

[kinesin]

@Nahm  That goes without saying.  When I speak of 'Leo' I'm not referring to his core being (which doesn't even exist) but to his presentation and the ways in which he interacts with the world.  A person is defined in part by their interactions and behaviours, and that's the dimension in which Leo could benefit from further development of some compassion.

He believes that he is compassionate and accepting of opposing views, sure, but there exists a perception that he's actually entrenched in his own thoughts and too quick to outright reject opposing views, and also too blunt/harsh in his manner when doing so.  This is the sense in which his critics argue that he behaves like an authoritarian king of his own domain (aka, a cult leader in the most negative sense), and if he worked on those aspects of himself, he wouldn't attract such criticisms.  Likewise, if he worked on this issue and stopped acting so sure of himself, he'd no longer project such a strong image of being a wise guru who knows the absolute truth of reality - because this image is what leads so many vulnerable and impressionable people to adopting his teachings so uncritically.

Leo may read this and believe that I'm saying this out of hate or desire to take him down, but it's actually borne from a desire to see him fully actualize himself.  Isn't the ultimate goal of personal development to shape oneself into an entity who floats effortlessly through reality while experiencing as much love and bringing as much positivity into being as possible, at all times?  If a person's actions, speech or manner lead to discordance and chaos, isn't that a warning sign from the universe that we need to adapt ourselves?  I want Leo's teachings, his manner of delivery, this community etc to be in genuine concordance with what is true, good and pure.  If that could be achieved, the criticisms wouldn't even arise within the minds of the critics, and such chaotic outcomes wouldn't occur.

[Nahm]

@kinesin

I didn’t mean you’re talking about his “core being”, I mean you’re not actually taking about “his interactions and behaviors”, you’re frame of reference is the content of videos. (I assume. Maybe you’re besties for all I know). 

[Thought Art]

I think the most important thing to do is this... 

If Leos is making you ill, then walk away from his work. 

He is one guy, and who knows what his real intentions, shadows, short sightedness and lack of holism actually is.

I notice myself wanting him to be someone he is not, I want him to be more open and answer and explain some of the claims he makes in his God realization video etc.. 

uliminately we are our main responsibility and Spirituallity is a bigger subject than ever explain in his videos, or that can be realized by watching his work alone. It's just one perspective. We need more experience.

There is a lot of dangers here. Some of what he says and then how he treats people who ask questions, for example about solipsism etc make me question his integrity as a teacher. I think his videos are good works. But, him as a person I don't think he has the integrity I would expect...

They are videos, and a booklist and a forum. He isn't a Guru or your coach, or your teacher.

Sure, he will answer what he considers serious questions... But even then he might not. He sometimes just slumps people off or projects on them. It's the nature of things.

Just, expand your horizons. Do the work. The work he promotes is really powerful grounded stuff. But, like anyone he isn't perfect. I think anyway.

I love Leo, he is an amazing person. But, we are all a little faulty as limited mortals.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Thought Art

[Chris365]

5 hours ago, nuwu said:

There's a "VR" missing from that quote somewhere ... for maximum impact

Edited July 18, 2021 by Chris365

[Aldrich]

On 7/10/2021 at 11:04 AM, johnlocke18 said:

For one, Leo says what he experiences on 5meo is the truth, when it could just be a subjective experience. The main problem is you push these teachings on people carelessly and don’t take any criticism. I just read where you told a dude he has to choose either his wife or 5meo, now you’re just getting ridiculous. You could’ve just told him to sneak and do it occasionally. You could easily ruined people’s lives considering how much they trust you and you’re going to have to change. What happened to soonhei should’ve been enough but you still don’t take any feed. You’re going to have to change and be more careful. 

"Leo says what he experiences on 5meo is the truth." That sounds factual. "you push these teachings on people carelessly." Leo is not careless. He always warns people that his content is Advanced Personal Development. His highly Philosophical and Higher Consciousness content is designed to warn newbies of what is to come. When I started following his content I became detached from practical matters. It is highly possible that Leo makes people momentarily detached from practical matters. And again this is a warning of what is to come. Actualized.org makes people pursue higher consciousness values. Pursuing higher consciousness values involves pain but the rewards in the long-term are great. "You could easily ruined people's lives considering how much they trust you." Leo doesn't ruin people's lives. Pursuing higher consciousness values involves short-term loss in exchange for long-term gain. Your criticisms are narrow-sighted because they point at the short-term losses but forget the long-term gains. You're throwing the baby out with the bath water. Nothing in life comes without pain. "you're going to have to change." Leo doesn't have to change. He is responsible and strategic. You need to stop being narrow-sighted.

I'm not an expert in consciousness so I'll just close with 2 questions. 1) Do you live a higher consciousness lifestyle? 2) Is your narrow-sightedness making you unfairly focus on the downsides of Actualized.org while completely disregarding the good effects of Actualized.org?